The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

I think GT's point was our first pick was rather risky, so whats the big deal if he wasnt totally sold on the idea of picking him?.

Wow that is an interesting way to describe GTripp in this case? There is no way to know what is going to happen(stats don't help) and as history shows it's simply an educated guessing game. It's all just a prediction so people who act like they know what's up are as I already said complete jokers.

[12thMan]

Bottom line, all three first day picks came outside of the first round and all three were at great value considering any of them, Davis included, could have been taken in the first round and no one would have batted an eye. And as I stated earlier, all three will make the team and bring immediate impact.

[MTK]

Thomas was rated as first round talent and was projected to possibly go as high as #11 to Buffalo. I don't think he would have been a reach even at #21, to get him where we did was fantastic.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thomas was rated as first round talent and was projected to possibly go as high as #11 to Buffalo. I don't think he would have been a reach even at #21, to get him where we did was fantastic.

I guess so. I just understand the overkill at wr.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I guess so. I just understand the overkill at wr.

If Zorn intends on using a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets and rotating these guys in and out depending on the packages it makes sense. Not sure how you can have overkill when you look at the mediocre WR production we had last year. I think this draft indicates the shift in philosophy from Gibbs run first mentality to Zorn's offense which looks like it's going to be pass heavy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If Zorn intends on using a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets and rotating these guys in and out depending on the packages it makes sense. Not sure how you can have overkill when you look at the mediocre WR production we had last year. I think this draft indicates the shift in philosophy from Gibbs run first mentality to Zorn's offense which looks like it's going to be pass heavy.

Yeah, but if that is the philosophy, then the Fred Davis pick makes no sense.

Irregardless of the talent we got, there were a few dissenting opinions making the decisions, and it created overkill. If we had just drafted Thomas, and then Davis (one TE, and one WR), can you come up with a potential scenario where we wouldn't have it covered with the personnel we had?

Kelly was a good value, but his only role on this team comes if he can beat out Devin Thomas.

I suppose that 4 years down the road, the team is planning to have Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly at the receivers, but in the next three seasons, Moss and/or ARE are still going to be here, and that means that one of those guys is nothing more than a 4th receiver for the time being.

That would be the very definition of overkill.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If Zorn intends on using a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets and rotating these guys in and out depending on the packages it makes sense. Not sure how you can have overkill when you look at the mediocre WR production we had last year. I think this draft indicates the shift in philosophy from Gibbs run first mentality to Zorn's offense which looks like it's going to be pass heavy.

Well I don't mind the offense being more wide open and aggresive. But I wonder if we're going to be able to pull this off without getting JC killed. Time will tell.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

GTripp,

Do you think we took Thomas because of the hype? Thomas is 6'2", has 4.4 speed, is very strong and agile, has good hands, is tough, and puts up excellent stats in 2007. It sounds like he's unpolished and it might not work out, but that's probably why we passed on him @ 21. We used our #2 pick to draft a boom/bust wideout.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

GTripp,

Do you think we took Thomas because of the hype? Thomas is 6'2", has 4.4 speed, is very strong and agile, has good hands, is tough, and puts up excellent stats in 2007. It sounds like he's unpolished and it might not work out, but that's probably why we passed on him @ 21. We used our #2 pick to draft a boom/bust wideout.

From the information SmootSmack dug up, it sounds like we would have taken him at 21, had we not got the trade.

I do think we took Thomas because of the hype. Most of our draft week focus centered around Malcolm Kelly. I know we had met with Thomas, but we clearly weren't expecting him to be there, and took him because he was the most hyped player there.

That's not always a bad strategy. The Raiders would have been wise to snag Glenn Dorsey before he fell to the Chiefs, but they were locked into McFadden.

However, the statistical probability on Devin Thomas based on what he did in college (potential fluke year, left early), the chances he's just totally overmatched in the NFL is probably close to 50%. Of course that gives him a 50% chance of being average or better, so it is a glass half empty, half full kind of thing. I just feel that the 34th overall pick should be 80% or better to succeed.

I don't see Thomas as a boom or bust. I see him as a mediocre-or-bust type guy. His upside looks something like Eddie Kennison's career. His downside, something like Bobby Wade.

For us, a league average receiver who is 6'3" and fast isn't all that bad of a selection, but we certainly could have done better, and that's going to eat at me for awhile.

Sorry if I let my frustration with the pick influence my assessment of the player. He is a terrible selection though. Hopefully, he can beat the odds and become a starter for us in Washington. We really need it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

From the information SmootSmack dug up, it sounds like we would have taken him at 21, had we not got the trade.

I do think we took Thomas because of the hype. Most of our draft week focus centered around Malcolm Kelly. I know we had met with Thomas, but we clearly weren't expecting him to be there, and took him because he was the most hyped player there.

That's not always a bad strategy. The Raiders would have been wise to snag Glenn Dorsey before he fell to the Chiefs, but they were locked into McFadden.

However, the statistical probability on Devin Thomas based on what he did in college (potential fluke year, left early), the chances he's just totally overmatched in the NFL is probably close to 50%. Of course that gives him a 50% chance of being average or better, so it is a glass half empty, half full kind of thing. I just feel that the 34th overall pick should be 80% or better to succeed.

I don't see Thomas as a boom or bust. I see him as a mediocre-or-bust type guy. His upside looks something like Eddie Kennison's career. His downside, something like Bobby Wade.

For us, a league average receiver who is 6'3" and fast isn't all that bad of a selection, but we certainly could have done better, and that's going to eat at me for awhile.

Sorry if I let my frustration with the pick influence my assessment of the player. He is a terrible selection though. Hopefully, he can beat the odds and become a starter for us in Washington. We really need it.

Well I was getting a lot of info at once, so it's not entirely accurate to say they were going to take Thomas at #21. Thomas was their top guy on the board once the Bills and Eagles passed but taking him at 21 was really a last resort. Who was to know he'd even be an option though.

I don't know where you're getting your statistical probabilities from.

[NYCskinfan82]

It is what it is, the Skins have made their picks i was not fond of them at first but the more i think about it i like it i like it alot, make defenses really have to plan for us.

[NYCskinfan82]

i'm tired of goal line situations run run run and everyone knows it what do you think we will do now exactly the possibilites are endless you don't know just like other defenses won't know

[12thMan]

We're up in three more picks...keep your fingers crossed.

Dallas just traded their pick to Detroit.

[MTK]

Still plenty of quality offensive lineman available

[Cooley1]

Here we go 3 picks away. Who are we taking at 96?