The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I would love to see ARE traded for someone of value. I like the man, but as a WR he lacks what we need. He's too much money too.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind unloading that contract of his either. He's a helleva team guy though. So whatever you gain in talent, you probably lose in terms of leadership and veteran saavy or is it spelled savvy?

I would say unload him for a defender of equal value; any position mind you.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Maybe its just me, and maybe this is usually the case, but does anyone else find it odd that Zorn wasn't even at the draft? He also sounded surprised with some of his comments that we got the players we got...

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, Fabini did okay for a back up last year. Don't forget our entire right side of the offensive line went down last year. At one point, I believe only Chris Samuels was the only starter playing in his regular position.

The lineman that went high today's draft figure to start for those teams. We don't have starter need, but we do have depth need. And for the most part, I feel as though our depth is solid. Could be better, but it aint the worse in the league either.

Alright. I know you have about a million posts here and I have 45 but Fabini? Did ok? Fabini made us the most predictable offense in the NFL for half the season because he couldn't have blocked me at DT.

Most running plays went something like this... "Portis/Betts line up in the backfield and take the hand-off to the left but oh, looks like they we're caught from behind or stopped at the LOS when the right side collapsed for Washington." And then Fabini would rub his belly hair and shake his head while looking up at the bleachers. I think I saw Fabini at a truck stop earlier this year even, I'm sure it's his job in the off-season.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

They're still having rounds 3-7 tomorrow right? There are still June 1 cuts and trades that could be made right? I'm sure we will hit our needs at G and on defense tomorrow.

WE get 3 picks 7th round, but come on, how many 7th rounders actually make the team other than practice squad? Last years late rounders are no longer Skins anymore, think it will be any different this year? In my mind we really only have one pick tomorrow in the 4th round and the rest will be cut or just practice squad fodder. We might fulfill our G needs with late picks, but nothing more. The duo WR picks and the surprising TE pickup might be an indication, as others here have speculated of some impending cuts and/or trades with some vets on the squad to deal with our needs.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Maybe its just me, and maybe this is usually the case, but does anyone else find it odd that Zorn wasn't even at the draft? He also sounded surprised with some of his comments that we got the players we got...

Honestly, this guy is behind the scense drawing up and Xs and Os and still getting adjusted to his new gig. I think after this year, he'll be more active with the draft and that sort of thing. For all intent and purposes, he's a rookie Head Coach.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Alright. I know you have about a million posts here and I have 45 but Fabini? Did ok? Fabini made us the most predictable offense in the NFL for half the season because he couldn't have blocked me at DT.

Most running plays went something like this... "Portis/Betts line up in the backfield and take the hand-off to the left but oh, looks like they we're caught from behind or stopped at the LOS when the right side collapsed for Washington." And then Fabini would rub his belly hair and shake his head while looking up at the bleachers. I think I saw Fabini at a truck stop earlier this year even, I'm sure it's his job in the off-season.

Both lines are a big question mark!!!!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Maybe its just me, and maybe this is usually the case, but does anyone else find it odd that Zorn wasn't even at the draft? He also sounded surprised with some of his comments that we got the players we got...

Do you mean at the draft or with the Redskins at Redskins Park? Because if you are suprised that he wasn't at the actual draft, that's really no big deal, there aren't any head coaches who actually go to the draft, they usually just send 3-4 team personnel to New York to put the name on the card and notify the league who they are drafting. Everyone else, i.e. front office, coaches, DS, they are all at Redskins Park.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Both lines are a big question mark!!!!

Dude I know I've been saying that all off-season. Like I said before: a DT and two o-lineman is what I expected after the trade. Before the trade I expected a split of DT and G or OT.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Alright. I know you have about a million posts here and I have 45 but Fabini? Did ok? Fabini made us the most predictable offense in the NFL for half the season because he couldn't have blocked me at DT.

Most running plays went something like this... "Portis/Betts line up in the backfield and take the hand-off to the left but oh, looks like they we're caught from behind or stopped at the LOS when the right side collapsed for Washington." And then Fabini would rub his belly hair and shake his head while looking up at the bleachers. I think I saw Fabini at a truck stop earlier this year even, I'm sure it's his job in the off-season.

Okay, the post thing was funny. Maybe parking lot posts should count, that's another discussion though

Look I'm not trying to make Fabini a Pro-Bowler here. But I think people around here expect back ups to play like All Pro material. There's a reason why they're riding the pine. Back-ups need to be good back-ups. And depending on who we draft tomorrow, and we could unearth a gem, Fabini might not even make the team. Let's just see how tomorrow shakes out first.

[mooby]

And even though we have 6 picks, 3 of them are at the tail end of the 7th round. We only have 3 picks in rounds 3-6, and we don't have a fifth round pick. That means we're looking at roughly 3 guys who will make the squad as depth, and then if we get lucky in the 7th round we might be able to get some more depth. But 7th round picks rarely make the team in our case, the last 7th rounder who actually has stuck around was Rock Cartwright from the '02 draft class. That's why we'll be lucky if we can get some good players in the 7th round.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

WE get 3 picks 7th round, but come on, how many 7th rounders actually make the team other than practice squad? Last years late rounders are no longer Skins anymore, think it will be any different this year? In my mind we really only have one pick tomorrow in the 4th round and the rest will be cut or just practice squad fodder. We might fulfill our G needs with late picks, but nothing more. The duo WR picks and the surprising TE pickup might be an indication, as others here have speculated of some impending cuts and/or trades with some vets on the squad to deal with our needs.

Don't we have a late 3rd and a early 4th? Still hitting one starter would be great for us! We shot the hole draft on a TE and two WR's with a D line and O line in need of help along with a 3rd QB also needed a S ,CB with maybe a LB as well! Alot to fill with a 3,4,6 and three 7ths left!

[MTK]

I think we could look to package some of those 7th rounders to move up a bit.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Dude I know I've been saying that all off-season. Like I said before: a DT and two o-lineman is what I expected after the trade. Before the trade I expected a split of DT and G or OT.

IMHO we have a workable rotation on the d-line but it will never be dominant. But the o-line has no real depth, again IMO. Nothing whatsoever at guard and I'm not very confident about Heyer. I watched him get destroyed by Kearney during the last game, and then I watched Kearney get totally shut down by Green Bay's line the very next week.

I know I need to give it up because the day is done but I still can't believe it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

GTripp, I understand you have a blog, and I understand that you know statistics, which apparently makes you really smart, but I gotta call you on this. You don't know what you're talking about on Thomas.

The guy is strong. He sheds tacklers when running with the ball, which is very important in a WCO when running slants and such. Seeing him on tape, he CONSISTENTLY makes plays week in and week out. He cuts with fluidity and doesn't lose speed coming in and out of breaks, which is something that makes or break a WR at the next level when they face much tighter coverage.

I'm not a measurables guy. But if you like that kind of thing, he's a 4.4 WR who stands 6 feet 2.

And the "short body of work" argument is just retarded. You can't put up 1260 yards over the course of 13 games, in a RUN ORIENTED OFFENSE, if you're not talented.

He was the best WR available in this draft.

So which card are you playing here? The draft is a crapshoot, I don't know what I'm talking about, or speed and strength is all that matters for a receiver?

If it's the latter, I'm calling you on this. If the former, then I'm willing to play the wait and see game. However, the methodology still sucks.

At best, it becomes a "we did okay, but we should have done better" kind of thing. That's not what we should be working towards with the first selection of the draft.

[skinsnut]

I am a little worried that we wont address our needs tommorrow...as Vinny says we are going to stick to the board....kinda implied no matter what....so if a long snapper is available and is the best player....are they gunna pick them?

I understand best player in the top of the draft...but talent is a lot more even later.
Why not fill needs?
If we draft the best player in the 6th and they are a WR....I will freak out.
We should easily be able to draft depth at Oline, Dline LB, secondary.
Please please please....let that happen!