The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

My how times have changed around here. I remember not too long ago there was a thread about how Randy Moss was done and Santana was better.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

Are you an NFL scout? Or are you just a fan who evaluates talent and posts your views on the internet? If your house is made of glass......

I think Moss has the ability to be dominant when healthy. In those last three games you mention Moss had 15 catches for 271 yards. That works out to a 16 game pace of 80 catches for 1445 yards. I distinctly remember Moss making great adjustments on the ball on two passes thrown along the sideline in the Giants game. I should mentioned that Moss caught 3 balls for 75 yards (a 25 yard avg.) on a night when Collins barely threw because it was so windy. I also remember Moss making a great adjustment on the ball and beating Vikings CB Marcus McCauley for a TD.

Moss undoubtedly has the initial explosiveness off the line, the straight-line speed, and agility you'd like to see from a burner. Moss is excellent at adjusting to the ball. Moss' only real problem is that he has trouble staying healthy (which is, admittedly, a big problem).

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

I guess I should clarify my post. Moss is below average for a #1, above average as an overall WR in the NFL. A four game stretch doesn't make a season. If he's going to be injured or "slowed by injury" for 12 games how does that help us.

Moss was 18th in YDs, 20th in receptions, and only had 3 TDs. Very pedestrian for a #1 WR. I do agree with you on one point...I am glad fans (looking through Burgundy and Gold colored glasses) don't evaluate talent for us.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'

Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.

No, by 'trash' I mean he's probably gone. Thrash has contributed nicely over the years, but at some point he's going to have to make way for guys who can make big plays. I just think his time here is done.

With Mix, I'm only saying that he's got some serious competition now, so he'd better be up to the task. Otherwise there just won't be any room for him. Unless they totally bomb and suck out loud, I'd say Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly already have the edge on him.

As for Moss, yes, I know he's not going anywhere due to cap constraints. Perhaps the additions of other wideouts who can draw more attention from the DBs will take some heat off of him. I just think too many people are still living in 2005 when Moss was fantastic. They just can't seem to come to grips with the fact that he hasn't been anywhere near that level of productivity since.

[djdunick]

2 wide receivers and a tight end on the first day with an aged Offensive line and no pass rush was a bad draft. The shuffling that went on with the offensive line last year should not be forgotten and should have been addressed earlier. I have always hated teams that use the Cerrato philosophy of 'best available'.

I run a part time DJ biz and if I need a new amplifier and walk into the DJ store and buy a new mixer because it's on sale and a 'good value' what the heck good is it. I still need a new amp.

[mooby]

And even though we have 6 picks, 3 of them are at the tail end of the 7th round. We only have 3 picks in rounds 3-6, and we don't have a fifth round pick. That means we're looking at roughly 3 guys who will make the squad as depth, and then if we get lucky in the 7th round we might be able to get some more depth. But 7th round picks rarely make the team in our case, the last 7th rounder who actually has stuck around was Rock Cartwright from the '02 draft class. That's why we'll be lucky if we can get some good players in the 7th round.

[MTK]

I think we could look to package some of those 7th rounders to move up a bit.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think we could look to package some of those 7th rounders to move up a bit.

That would make a lot of sense. What are 7th rounders worth (if we package the three)?

[skinsnut]

I am a little worried that we wont address our needs tommorrow...as Vinny says we are going to stick to the board....kinda implied no matter what....so if a long snapper is available and is the best player....are they gunna pick them?

I understand best player in the top of the draft...but talent is a lot more even later.
Why not fill needs?
If we draft the best player in the 6th and they are a WR....I will freak out.
We should easily be able to draft depth at Oline, Dline LB, secondary.
Please please please....let that happen!

[budw38]

You can't trade comp picks ,,,, maybe we draft more Wr's .

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by budw38

You can't trade comp picks ,,,, maybe we draft more Wr's .

Then we should try to trade our 6th and the noncom 7th for a 5th (or if we're damn lucky another 4th. Let's be honest, as it stands right now we basically have two real picks left in the 08 draft. 6th and 7th rounders are almost always punching bags who get thrown aside. Coming away w/ another real pick would be slick.

[diehardskin2982]

hopefully the skins will finish like this
pick 96: DaJuan Morgan S North Carolina State or Joshua Barrett S Arizona State
Pick 103: Dre Moore DT Maryland or Josh Johnson QB San Diego

Then fill the oline, corner and LB positions in the late rounds or udfa.
Bobbie Willams needs to be a skin!!!

[FRPLG]

Yeah I am baffled too. Tripp you have given none of your treasured evidence to show why Thomas is such a dud. You just say it like it is proven fact and the only people on the planet who didn't know he sucked were the redskins and most of their fans.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Yeah I am baffled too. Tripp you have given none of your treasured evidence to show why Thomas is such a dud. You just say it like it is proven fact and the only people on the planet who didn't know he sucked were the redskins and most of their fans.

All of his stats were from one year. He had transfered from a smaller school and didnt get the "full" college playing time experience. A lot of analysts said the same thing about him being untested and there wasnt really too much to go off of when evaluating the guy, at least with film.

I think GT's point was our first pick was rather risky, so whats the big deal if he wasnt totally sold on the idea of picking him?

I think we should have taken Sweed personally but its whatever. I'm ok with Devin Thomas and im sure all of us will have our eyes on him this year.