Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-19-2014, 05:23 PM

Did they also account for the all the attention Orapko demanded to help with Kerrigan's stats?

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-19-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Not so fast my friend...

Rack is not even the best linebacker on this team. I took a look on the NFL stats Lab and compared him first to the linebackers on our team. Brian only had 10 sacks, 1 Interception, 0 FF and 60 tackles. Kerrigan had 9 sacks, 0 ints, 4 forced fumbles, and 66 tackles in a year where Kerrigan admitted that he was hurt.

Ryan Kerrigan to have minor surgery; talks 4-3 - ESPN

Now let's compare Rack to the best player at his position this year... Robert Quinn had 19 sacks 7 Forced Fumbles and 57 Tackles. The second best ranked free agent at the same position is Jason Worilds. He had 64 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 FF. That is not much of a drop off, also Jason is two years younger.

We could also target Michael Johnson who excelled at OLB in a 3-4 system in 2012.

All this to say that we don't need to overpay Brian Orakpo. I would argue that Perry Riley is a more important sign than Rack. Riley is our leading tackler and averaged 79.8 tackles over his four year span on the team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO93Edk7xtw

diehardskin2982 · 01-19-2014, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Did they also account for the all the attention Orapko demanded to help with Kerrigan's stats?

That could be a valid argument if Kerrigan didn't have the same sack totals in 2012 without Rack due to injury. Ryan had less tackles but Fletcher was a better player in 2012 as well.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-19-2014, 05:36 PM

Sacks aren't the be-all, end-all. While I DO agree that signing Riley is important, I still feel like getting Rak back is more important. It would be yet another hole to fill with either a draft pick OR another high priced FA.

FRPLG · 01-19-2014, 05:46 PM

Rak is going to get a lot of play on the market. There's a reason.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-19-2014, 05:49 PM

Right. BEST case scenario is Rak goes somewhere else, we sign Rob Jackson to a cap-friendly contract, then find out that he's nowhere close to as good as Orakpo.

diehardskin2982 · 01-19-2014, 05:58 PM

Not saying Rob Jackson is the answer I named some viable replacements in Michael Johnson and Jason Worilds, who both could be cheaper.

I am saying we should not let Rack and his agent walk all over us because he doesn't have max production at his position IMO.

Lotus · 01-19-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Right. BEST case scenario is Rak goes somewhere else, we sign Rob Jackson to a cap-friendly contract, then find out that he's nowhere close to as good as Orakpo.

Don't we already know that?

IMO we likely will overpay for Rak, as it will take some elite money to sign him despite the fact that he has not put up elite numbers. But not to sign him creates a large hole which is very difficult to fill.

Hog1 · 01-19-2014, 06:35 PM

I.......REALLY don't want this thing to go Champ Bailey on us.......

OnceWeWereKings · 01-19-2014, 06:37 PM

Why is no one brining up the major injury issues for the last 3 years? Does anyone consider him an injury liabilty? I can sre us signing him, and anothrr injury next season aroung the halfway point. It wouldn't be surprising at all given the recent history. I'm a fan of rak, but lets not forget how many games have been missed since 2011.....

That Guy · 01-19-2014, 08:51 PM

you pay rak. he's here, he's working, you pay him. unless someone offers him a stupid deal like dockery got in buffalo.

donofriose · 01-19-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

Why is no one brining up the major injury issues for the last 3 years? Does anyone consider him an injury liabilty? I can sre us signing him, and anothrr injury next season aroung the halfway point. It wouldn't be surprising at all given the recent history. I'm a fan of rak, but lets not forget how many games have been missed since 2011.....

He has missed one season.Besides that one injury he has missed two games in his career if I remember correctly. Its like saying Brady is injury prone because he missed one season.

MTK · 01-19-2014, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

Why is no one brining up the major injury issues for the last 3 years? Does anyone consider him an injury liabilty? I can sre us signing him, and anothrr injury next season aroung the halfway point. It wouldn't be surprising at all given the recent history. I'm a fan of rak, but lets not forget how many games have been missed since 2011.....

Exaggerate much?

He's missed one season in his career.

OnceWeWereKings · 01-19-2014, 11:30 PM

I apologize. I thought he hurt his shoulder/pec earlier in the 2011 season. I'm not against re-signing him by any means...just playing devils advocate. I would have fact checked myself before posting, but I was in post nyquil haze after I woke up...

Chico23231 · 01-19-2014, 11:49 PM

Orakpo stays, no question

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01-19-2014, 05:23 PM	#676
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Did they also account for the all the attention Orapko demanded to help with Kerrigan's stats? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-19-2014, 05:36 PM	#679
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Sacks aren't the be-all, end-all. While I DO agree that signing Riley is important, I still feel like getting Rak back is more important. It would be yet another hole to fill with either a draft pick OR another high priced FA. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-19-2014, 05:46 PM	#680
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Rak is going to get a lot of play on the market. There's a reason.

01-19-2014, 05:49 PM	#681
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Right. BEST case scenario is Rak goes somewhere else, we sign Rob Jackson to a cap-friendly contract, then find out that he's nowhere close to as good as Orakpo. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-19-2014, 05:58 PM	#682
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Not saying Rob Jackson is the answer I named some viable replacements in Michael Johnson and Jason Worilds, who both could be cheaper. I am saying we should not let Rack and his agent walk all over us because he doesn't have max production at his position IMO. __________________ That got ugly fast

01-19-2014, 06:35 PM	#684
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins I.......REALLY don't want this thing to go Champ Bailey on us....... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

01-19-2014, 06:37 PM	#685
OnceWeWereKings The Starter Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Catasauqua, PA Age: 43 Posts: 1,313	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Why is no one brining up the major injury issues for the last 3 years? Does anyone consider him an injury liabilty? I can sre us signing him, and anothrr injury next season aroung the halfway point. It wouldn't be surprising at all given the recent history. I'm a fan of rak, but lets not forget how many games have been missed since 2011.....

01-19-2014, 08:51 PM	#686
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins you pay rak. he's here, he's working, you pay him. unless someone offers him a stupid deal like dockery got in buffalo.

01-19-2014, 11:30 PM	#689
OnceWeWereKings The Starter Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Catasauqua, PA Age: 43 Posts: 1,313	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins I apologize. I thought he hurt his shoulder/pec earlier in the 2011 season. I'm not against re-signing him by any means...just playing devils advocate. I would have fact checked myself before posting, but I was in post nyquil haze after I woke up...

01-19-2014, 11:49 PM	#690
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,420	Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins Orakpo stays, no question __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

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