My 1st anti-coaching thread

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Every March, who doesn't look at the Redskins and say "wow , they have a bunch of talent! " I mean remeber the linebackers core of Trotter, Armstead, and Arrington. The Redskins have Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Jansen , Samuels, Thomas, Sean Taylor, Washington, Lavar. I mean the list goes on and on and on. I've heard numerous people over the years talk about each and everyone of them being a GREAT talent.

It just never translates to wins. You have to blame the coaches when that happens. What about the Chicago Bears? Their defense is taking them to the playoffs, unlike the redskins last year.

I've tried to understand why all those big names never give us wins, too. Either they're not coached right, or they're just not that good. I know some may disagree and cringe at that remark, but what have they done for us?

Portis is overrated. Santana Moss can't do it all by himself. Sean Taylor is still young, at times too aggressive, and isn't a complete player yet. Marcus Washington is a legitimate star, but like Moss, one star player can't do it alone. LaVar Arrington has a big hit every game or so, but it's never enough.

I think it all starts with both lines. Thomas, Rabach, and Dockery are not dominant interior players. Samuels struggles against top notch defenders, and is otherwise just good enough, but he's no Jim Lachey. Jansen is solid, and he is simply the best player lined up with players who are not as good.

The defensive line is terrible, and will be that way as long as this team continues to neglect it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think it all starts with both lines. Thomas, Rabach, and Dockery are not dominant interior players. Samuels struggles against top notch defenders, and is otherwise just good enough, but he's no Jim Lachey. Jansen is solid, and he is simply the best player lined up with players who are not as good.

The defensive line is terrible, and will be that way as long as this team continues to neglect it.

The world is coming to an end, I actually agree with you, Beemnseven. Both lines are missing that extra ingredient for success - with the defensive line being further away from turning it around.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Do you think it was a mistake for him to come back in the first place? Just curious

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Do you think it was a mistake for him to come back in the first place? Just curious

Unfortunately, yes, only because there's no real way to improve on what he did during his first tenure. I was excited as hell when it was announced Gibbs was coming back, but it obviously is very tough to come back and win Super Bowls. I hope he can turn it around, and I'll be cheering for the Skins every week regardless.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Unfortunately, yes, only because there's no real way to improve on what he did during his first tenure. I was excited as hell when it was announced Gibbs was coming back, but it obviously is very tough to come back and win Super Bowls. I hope he can turn it around, and I'll be cheering for the Skins every week regardless.

We are not a terrible team. We are an average team that played against a great team and got beaten. I'm going to give Gibbs et al more time than Snyder gives most of his coaches.

I too will be cheering for the Skins every week, regardless of their record.

[Bushead]

It does start at the Lines. If you have dominant lines, you can do anything you want. Just looking at the Offensive line though, what could be the problem? I think pass protection has been wonderful, but of course Gibbs has extra blockers everywhere making it hard to judge.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

I love Schott, my favorite coach ever (not named Gibbs) and I think he had things going in the right direction. But I don't think Snyder ever wanted him here. It's almost like he brought him here just to prove that he could.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The world is coming to an end, I actually agree with you, Beemnseven. Both lines are missing that extra ingredient for success - with the defensive line being further away from turning it around.

I thought this was the year for the offensive line to finally come together. Chris Samuels, an up-and-coming Derrick Dockery, a solid right guard in Randy Thomas alongside Jon Jansen, with the best available center in the free agent market in Casey Rabach -- all blocking for Clinton Portis? I was practically drooling after hearing that lineup.

But it just hasn't happened. Rabach was supposed to be the final piece of the puzzle. Portis was supposed to be making plays like L.T. is making. Gibbs and Bugel were supposed to resurrect the Hogs and call the plays that pound opponents into submission. Nope. It just ain't happenin'.

The D-line on the other hand, well ... let's just say I saw this coming.

[Bushead]

snyder is an intersting fellow

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

I do agree. That was a boneheaded move by Synder. However, it's would've, should've, could've. The present situation finds us with Joe Gibbs as our head coach and our team still not being where we would hope they would be at. However, I would worry more about this coaching staff if all of our loses have been by 10 points or more. The fact of the matter is, losing by 2 or 3 points in most of our losses really doesn't tell us much as to if we're closer to being that great team, or if we're just not there yet. Optimistically, I would like to think we're closer to being a good team, but close only counts in horse shoes.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I thought this was the year for the offensive line to finally come together. Chris Samuels, an up-and-coming Derrick Dockery, a solid right guard in Randy Thomas alongside Jon Jansen, with the best available center in the free agent market in Casey Rabach -- all blocking for Clinton Portis? I was practically drooling after hearing that lineup.

But it just hasn't happened. Rabach was supposed to be the final piece of the puzzle. Portis was supposed to be making plays like L.T. is making. Gibbs and Bugel were supposed to resurrect the Hogs and call the plays that pound opponents into submission. Nope. It just ain't happenin'.

The D-line on the other hand, well ... let's just say I saw this coming.

If we get another wideout, I think a lot of the questions about our offense will disappear.

[Bushead]

How would another Wideout help Run Blocking?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I thought this was the year for the offensive line to finally come together. Chris Samuels, an up-and-coming Derrick Dockery, a solid right guard in Randy Thomas alongside Jon Jansen, with the best available center in the free agent market in Casey Rabach -- all blocking for Clinton Portis? I was practically drooling after hearing that lineup.

But it just hasn't happened. Rabach was supposed to be the final piece of the puzzle. Portis was supposed to be making plays like L.T. is making. Gibbs and Bugel were supposed to resurrect the Hogs and call the plays that pound opponents into submission. Nope. It just ain't happenin'.

The D-line on the other hand, well ... let's just say I saw this coming.

I do see more improvement with our offensive line as opposed to last year. I do believe Jansen being out last year really hurt us. However, our offensive line is definitely not the OL like the hogs were. That was a special group! Some games they're perfect, other games they're not. But most definitely, our defensive line needs improvement. The only guy I really like is Griffin.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If I could just jump in here, I think the critical mistake started when Snyder kicked out Schottenheimer. With just a few better offensive playmakers, that could have been a playoff year. He just may have had this team on the right track.

As I said earlier, I fondly remember the 1st Gibbs era and supported him this term as well.. That being said, I agree that it was a critical mistake to fire Schott and then he compounded ot not by hiring Spurrier but by NOT hiring Marvin Lewis as HC. Can't do anything about that now, but looking back it hurt the franchise tremendously..

Originally Posted by Redskin

maybe its the coaching staff keeping us close and we dont have great talent you ever think of that paintrain?

I don't know that we have "great talent" but NFL observers always say that the Redskins are very talented on both sides of the ball. We have numerous players on both sides of the ball who have been pro-bowlers.. There are very few times that I think the Redskins step onto the field and they are out-manned from a talent perspective. But there have been at least 5 games where they were out-coached and out executed (Denver-execution, NYG-coaching & execution, Tampa-coaching, Oakland-coaching, SD-coaching & execution). That's inexcusable.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Bushead

How would another Wideout help Run Blocking?

Because our passing game would be better and defenses wouldn't be stacking the box (as the Chargers did today).