Anthony Montgomery Angry about demotion

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

Thats a huge overexaggeration, yes he looked winded but he wasn't about to pass out on the sideline. I'm very impressed with him. He consistently takes on 2 to 3 defenders allowing for others to make plays. I hate the fact that since he doesnt make the "ooh aaah" play people will not see him for the value he truly brings.

Exactly.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

If the other players on the line don't make plays that's on them, not AH IMO. He's doing his part, they just need to do theirs. As far as Monty goes, if he wasn't so lazy they might not of needed AH to begin with.

Agreed

Im worried that our other linemen aren't capable of it (in terms of getting to the qb)

Orakpo will certainly help...but we dont have any other threat to the qb that I see

[30gut]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

do you make a trade and if so for what?
I say no cause Griffin only has like a year left in him and Montgomery is the future.

I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to trade Monty.

Monty is a good young DT he would be starting material on other teams.
And unless we were given that type of value it wouldn't make sense.
By value i'm mean whatever the going rate is for starting caliber space eating 1 tech/DT.
And because of Hayneworth (and Monty's laziness??) he can't get that value because he doesn't start.

Losing Monty would also deplete the depth along the DL which is one of this teams strentghs.
Hayneworth is a beast he rarely if ever plays the entire season.
Having a solid rotation to keep him fresh is essential.
Trading Monty decreases the effectiveness of Haynesworth.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I agree with you, it doesn't make sense to trade Monty.

Monty is a good young DT he would be starting material on other teams.
And unless we were given that type of value it wouldn't make sense.
By value i'm mean whatever the going rate is for starting caliber space eating 1 tech/DT.
And because of Hayneworth (and Monty's laziness??) he can't get that value because he doesn't start.

Losing Monty would also deplete the depth along the DL which is one of this teams strentghs.
Hayneworth is a beast he rarely if ever plays the entire season.
Having a solid rotation to keep him fresh is essential.
Trading Monty decreases the effectiveness of Haynesworth.

I agree. We need a solid rotation to keep the line "fresh" and I would only trade Monty if we received the proper value in return. Monty has the physical tools to be a solid tackle who can impose his will on the o-line. The knock against him has always been he's an underachiever. He's good enough to start, but he could be so much better.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

what about the chance that a hungry guy like dixon would then most likely be on the team? wouldn't a guy like dixon be montys replacement? so we would get a draft pick and have a formidable dt in dixon ready to step in.

[saden1]

I like what GB said..."you got to be stupid not to realize the guy we just paid 100 million is going to start." Montgomery has no reason to be unhappy seeing how he's a decent player at best. I'm not even sure if he's a legit starter on the Skins without Fat Albert presence.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

what about the chance that a hungry guy like dixon would then most likely be on the team? wouldn't a guy like dixon be montys replacement? so we would get a draft pick and have a formidable dt in dixon ready to step in.

Good point. I wouldn't mind us trading Monty somewhere where they need some defensive help. For once I would like to see us stockpiling picks.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Stockpiling picks is a great thing! I for one think this team is doing a nice job of building a good core group of young players/ good veterans. Another draft pick would definatley help in that area.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. If he's not making the "ooh aaah" plays, he's definitely helping someone else make them. Doc was saying that if he wants to be like Reggie White he may have to get in better shape because Reggie played every down. If he's playing at 350, maybe he should be at 330-335. He also said at this point in the season it's too late but the coaches may want to talk to him in the future about what it would take to be like Reggie if that's what he really wants. Only AH can decide that. As it is, the guy is pushing 600 lbs. around on every play. Sometimes more. If the other players on the line don't make plays that's on them, not AH IMO. He's doing his part, they just need to do theirs. As far as Monty goes, if he wasn't so lazy they might not of needed AH to begin with.

Really who is exactly making those plays then?

No pressure at all against NE. AH was brought in to speed up qbs and create turnovers. Havent been a ton of those on the first team either. I dont see a good amount of sacks by our DEs or LBs.

I am not saying AH's health is a problem, but he hasn't made the crazy impact he did in Tenn so far.

[PennSkinsFan]

My thoughts are --- compete. Win a job. Beat out Griffin. Show you can start.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Really who is exactly making those plays then?

No pressure at all against NE. AH was brought in to speed up qbs and create turnovers. Havent been a ton of those on the first team either. I dont see a good amount of sacks by our DEs or LBs.

I am not saying AH's health is a problem, but he hasn't made the crazy impact he did in Tenn so far.

2 preseason games and how many snaps??

C'mon let's give it a realistic shot before making statements like that.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

2 preseason games and how many snaps??

C'mon let's give it a realistic shot before making statements like that.

I am not throwing away the move to get AH. I am just saying so far, in 2 preseason games, he hasn't been like he was in Tenn.

There can be a ton of reasons. If you see my first post, I noted of Theisman said he would be fine by game 1. I think so too. I just think AH looks outta shape as of NOW.

I think he will be fine by game 1.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Really who is exactly making those plays then?

No pressure at all against NE. AH was brought in to speed up qbs and create turnovers. Havent been a ton of those on the first team either. I dont see a good amount of sacks by our DEs or LBs.

I am not saying AH's health is a problem, but he hasn't made the crazy impact he did in Tenn so far.

Let's also remember before we start to dissect AH's performance. Let's remember it is only Pre-Season. We haven't even played a meaningful football game yet. If we get to week 8 and the defense looks pedestrian then you and I can start making claim's of AH not helping, but until then remember, he has been regarded by many redskin hater analysts as the best DT in football. Some even say the best defensive player in football. Don't doubt the big guy yet. He is a beast.

We are going to be good defensively.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. If he's not making the "ooh aaah" plays, he's definitely helping someone else make them. Doc was saying that if he wants to be like Reggie White he may have to get in better shape because Reggie played every down. If he's playing at 350, maybe he should be at 330-335. He also said at this point in the season it's too late but the coaches may want to talk to him in the future about what it would take to be like Reggie if that's what he really wants. Only AH can decide that. As it is, the guy is pushing 600 lbs. around on every play. Sometimes more. If the other players on the line don't make plays that's on them, not AH IMO. He's doing his part, they just need to do theirs. As far as Monty goes, if he wasn't so lazy they might not of needed AH to begin with.

Excellent point. Let's hope Monty learns to understand this.

[hooskins]

I dont think people really understand my comments.

I simply was stating what other people have said about AH. I also agree with those things as I have seen them. Also our Dline/D has been below expectations, correct?
Not just versus NE.

If I say something critical about AH doesnt mean I think he is now a dud. But at the same time, I will look for these things during the regular season and see if they have been improved upon. I don't see what the problem is with this approach.