Top 5 All-Time Head Coaches?

[Manusky91]

Originally Posted by jayfrank12

joe gibbs may only be doing it for the money.The draft was just awful.The D line the worst ever.This is the guy you call smart.Yes the first years of his carrer his first pick was joe jacoby.Sorry redskin fans but 5-11 would be good this year.This team is old and the draft offers no lineman.Draft all the backs you want without the line its a waste of time.(COACHING 101)Hey joe you need some help.oR YOU DONT CARE.This is not you.Its the truth every word i WRITE. you dont go from the super bowl to the worst in the NFL.Hey joe get in your car and go back to the track.YEAR 4 NO LINEMAN DRAFTED WAKE UP FANS

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Manusky91

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

Don't encourage him. Although it's rare to see a troll on this site, they do ooze out from the cracks every once in a while.

[Jamaican'Skin]

My list in no particular order include Lombardi, Shula, Gibbs, Walsh, and Landry

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Don't encourage him. Although it's rare to see a troll on this site, they do ooze out from the cracks every once in a while.

I agree. Ignore him.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Manusky91

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

LOL.
However, is he THAT wrong? I think he went about it a little too harsh, but he certainly makes valid points.

Back to the point. I'm not sure Gibbs makes my top 5 after the poor showing he has had the past few years (or as someone said, Gibbs 2.0).

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

Lombardi
Walsh
Gibbs
Landry
Noll
Shula
Halas
Belichick
Brown
Madden(Great Video Games)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Football Man

Belichick has revolutionized franchise leadership -- in both coaching and personnel management -- in the salary cap era. Unlike the other coaches on this list (and Gibbs, etc.), he can't benefit from a payroll gap between rich and poor franchises.

The current system was designed to create parity, but Belichick has gamed it via value-based player evaluation, a focus on position flexibility, and phenomenal game planning. He's the best coach in NFL history, bar none.

Of course, as we all remember, Belichick also turned the Giants' defense into a powerhouse, winning two Super Bowls as a coordinator during the '80s. . . . A lot has been said about his lack of success in Cleveland. I disagree with that assessment. Belichick inherited a 3-13, then led them to consecutive seasons of 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, and 10-6 (plus a playoff victory over Parcells' Patriots). This steady improvement only abated in his final season, which Art Modell wrecked by his pre-season decision to move to Baltimore, throwing the season (and fan base) into the sewer.

Are you related to Bill B., or do you just have a FatHead of him in your living room.

That being said, I believe Belichick is in the top 10 discussion, not "Best of All-Time", or even top 5. Here's why not:

1) With a 21-6 lead over Indy last year shortly before half of the AFC Championship game NE couldn't close the deal....not a great statement for "game planning" and in-game adjustments

2) He was the Def Coordinator for the Giants, but a guy named Parcells had a lot more to do with those championship teams than Belichick. I don't think two Hall of Fame LBs hurt either (LT & Harry Carson). One who many argue is the greatest game changing defensive player of all-time (LT).

3) Cleveland did happen. Going from 3-13 to 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 10-6 are "solid-coach" numbers, not "greatest coach of all-time" numbers.

4) The AFC East has not exactly been a powerhouse division the last few years, hence at least 4-5 easy wins per year and an easy route to the playoffs. When Gibbs (since you threw a little dart there) was winning Super Bowls, the Skins were coming out of the NFC East in the 80's and 90-91. During that time the NFC East was the toughest division in football. There was also the 49ers to contend with who were pretty darn good too.

Here's my top five from the last thread on this:

1) Lombardi - 96-34 / 9-1 Playoffs / 7 championships in 11 years.
2) Halas - 318-148-32 / 6-4 Playoffs / 6 championships
3) Shula - 328-156-6 / 3 championships
4) Gibbs - 146-86 / 17-6 Playoffs / 3 championships (with 3 different QBs). 1982 - 1991 9 of 10 seasons with 10 or more wins. (1982 strike season 8-1). If Gibbs can win 1 or 2 more rings before retiring (without any more 5-11 seasons) he will vault to # 2.
5) Landry - 250-162 / 20-16 Playoffs / 2 Championships. 1968 - 1983 13 of 15 seasons with 10 or more wins.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

4) Gibbs - 146-86 / 17-6 Playoffs / 3 championships (with 3 different QBs). 1982 - 1991 9 of 10 seasons with 10 or more wins. (1982 strike season 8-1). If Gibbs can win 1 or 2 more rings before retiring (without any more 5-11 seasons) he will vault to # 2.

I agree with your assesment of Gibbs however you are slightly off in your stats...Gibbs also went 7-9 in 1988, the year after he won his second Super Bowl...

[ncskinsfanec]

Top 5 in my book:

1. Vince Lombardi
2. Joe Gibbs
3. Bill Walsh
4. George Halas
5. Don Shula

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If any of you people discredit Joe Gibbs because of only two bad season's of work since he's been back, you're either a complete idiot or too young to remember how unbelievably outstanding he was in the first go round. The man won three Super Bowl's with three different starting QB's for crying out loud!!! I have to give Lombardi the nod as tops of all-time though, he helped revolutionize football into mainstream America and he also sported the burgandy and gold briefly!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by jayfrank12

joe gibbs.no way.with the worst D last year IN THE NFL 31ST This guy drafts no linemen of any kind.thanks NASCAR JOE.TOP 5 NO WAY SORRY.

What are you, about 18 years old. Stop with the NASCAR Joe stuff (even though both of his drivers are top five in the points). In Joe Gibbs' heydey he could coach circles around some of these bums coaching today. I'll still take him today over any coach in the league (yes, even that hoody in New England with the questionable tatics)!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by bridaman51

what about Steve Spurrier?????

I would have to put Don Shula in the top 5 he is the winningest coach of all time. Lombardi, the dang superbowl trophy is named after him. but you can make a case for many others. here is a name that has not been mentioned I dont think (maybe because he coached the BOYS) Jimmy Johnson. He won some superbowls took a one win team and made them a beast there in the 90's. Maybe not top 5 but possibly top 10. he is defenetely a great eye for talent, he just never got his quarterback in Miami, then no coach has really. If you look at his time in Miami though he did take them to the playoffs and they have pretty much been crap in that division since he left.

Jimmy Johnson? Please! He was lucky that the Minnesota braintrust was so incompetent in the Hershal Walker trade!

[GusFrerotte]

1 Lombardi
2 Landry
3 Shula
4 Noll
5 Walsh

Coach Gibbs is in the top ten, but he better start turning things around this season or he is going to be outta there(top ten that is). He might be outta there(DC) if he can't produce. I will get ragged for this assesment, but it is the truth. You are only as good as your last game or season. IF Coach goes down a loser, the luster of that HOF career will be soiled for good. I think this is it for Coach. He will either go out on top or just leave in failure. We have the future QB crowned with a solid supporting cast. If we can't get to the playoffs this year, it will be a while til we do it again.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

1 Lombardi
2 Landry
3 Shula
4 Noll
5 Walsh

Coach Gibbs is in the top ten, but he better start turning things around this season or he is going to be outta there(top ten that is). He might be outta there(DC) if he can't produce. I will get ragged for this assesment, but it is the truth. You are only as good as your last game or season. IF Coach goes down a loser, the luster of that HOF career will be soiled for good. I think this is it for Coach. He will either go out on top or just leave in failure. We have the future QB crowned with a solid supporting cast. If we can't get to the playoffs this year, it will be a while til we do it again.

I'm tempted to rag on you, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[GusFrerotte]

If coach doesn't get it done this year, he might bolt on his own or Snyder will do the unthinkable. If he can't do it this year I highly think we won't do it next year. Gibbs II has been overall an unsuccessful run so far, and if we don't get over the hill this season, it will be a long time in coming IMHO. What I said in the quote about only being as good as your last game/season is true. The last images I have of Montana are him in a fetal position in KC getting destroyed, not him airing it out with Rice in a SB. Chuck Noll ended up getting dumped and then going into obscurity. Very few folks can really remember the Gibbs I SB's that well that much. The images folks will have will be of 2 losing seasons in a row if we don't get it done this year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

If coach doesn't get it done this year, he might bolt on his own or Snyder will do the unthinkable. If he can't do it this year I highly think we won't do it next year. Gibbs II has been overall an unsuccessful run so far, and if we don't get over the hill this season, it will be a long time in coming IMHO. What I said in the quote about only being as good as your last game/season is true. The last images I have of Montana are him in a fetal position in KC getting destroyed, not him airing it out with Rice in a SB. Chuck Noll ended up getting dumped and then going into obscurity. Very few folks can really remember the Gibbs I SB's that well that much. The images folks will have will be of 2 losing seasons in a row if we don't get it done this year.

Fine, but do you really remember Chuck Noll as someone who ended his career with a 7-9 record, or the 4-time SB winner? Do you remember Joe Montana as the guy who lead the Chiefs to the playoffs, or the 3 time Super Bowl MVP for the San Fransisco 49ers? Do you think of Babe Ruth as the guy who ended his career with a batting average under .200 or as The Sultan of Swat? Do you think of Johnny Unitas as the guy who ended his career with 3 TDs and 7 INTs in his final season or as a Baltimore Colt icon? Do you think of Willie Mays as the guy who could barely limp to first base wearing a New York Mets uniform or as the Say Hey kid with the SF Giants?

Bottom line, I don't see any reason why Gibbs 2.0 should tarnish the legacy of Joe Gibbs.