Are we adressing our D-line?

[PorterHouse]

It would be nice not to be laughed at on draft day, or only have one 1st day pick.

[That Guy]

minnesota has GOOD DTs, there's an outside chance they look at DE, but unless someone else trades into that spot, i doubt there's even a chance that a DT goes at #7.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by That Guy

minnesota has GOOD DTs, there's an outside chance they look at DE, but unless someone else trades into that spot, i doubt there's even a chance that a DT goes at #7.

exactly

[jrocx69]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Whatever, I can imagine high level draft meetings where they are arguing back and forth, when suddenly　Ｇｉｂｂｓ　ｙｅｌｌｓ　ｏｕｔ，　ｅｖｅｒｙｏｎｅ　ｑｕｉｔｅ，　we　ｇｏｔ　ａ ｎｏｔｈｅｒ　ｅｍａｉｌ　ｆｒｏｍ　Ｊｒｏｃｘ． He wants us to take Okoye!

Tell the truth, when the Skins are yammering away on that phone during draft day its you they are talking to right?

i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe

I wish they would.
# DT Okoye
# DE Best available. I count five top prospects and several good ones. One could fall to us if we trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick or come up with a trade package involving Springs. I'd love to trade down and pick up DE Carriker later in the first. That would give us two beasts we could count on for years. I'd trade Springs and a #3 for a good shot at Carriker.

Consider a front four of Carriker, Okoye, Carter, and Griffin.

Griffin: Exceptional against the run and as a rusher.
Carter: Excellent speed rusher
Okoye: Future great. Occupies blockers, makes tackles at the line, puts pressure on the QB by crushing the pocket. May learn to finish well (19 years old, super intelliegent).
Carriker: A stone wall against the run and an adequate rusher.

I'd put Okoye and Carter on the right and Carrker on the left with Griffin to balance the front.

I'd also like a date with Angelina Joli.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe

I honestly don't feel the rush to draft an offensive guard just because we lost Dockery. In fact, a journeyman free agent might serve us better in the short term as somebody who could step right in without having the growing pains of a rookie.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe

Did any Johnson supporters see the lick that Chideum Ndukwe layed on him on opening night?

I'll try to find it on YOUTUBE, but it just shows that Johnson isn't invincible. Like any other WR, he's prone to dropping the ball if he gets whalloped.

BTW, Ndukwe is the brother of the Ndukwe who used to play guard for us.

EDIT: Found it

[SkinsFanSince91]

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

Ain't no way, no how.

If we don't shore up that awful defensive line, opponents will run up and down Pennsylvania Avenue on us. And Landry, or whoever else they stick in the secondary won't matter one iota.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.

[PorterHouse]

I really like this kid Landry. Damn it would be nice to have two hammers back there, but eveyone is so hell bent ont the d-line. I think Goldton< Salavea are sufficiant. Maybe they need to work harder or somethin. Tell me how that would make them play if everyone is callin for there heads and "The Guru" (G. Williams) believes in em and lets them control there own fate. I believe they can do it. Our whole problem wasnt the d-line last year, and all we didwas make our D better. Dont forget our offense wasnt the greatest in the league. We still have a rb cotraversy.

[That Guy]

um, you can get starting safeties on the waiver wire, you CANNOT get impact DL there, and golston and big joe are NOT nearly good enough... i thought last year helped prove that.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

I wish they would.
# DT Okoye
# DE Best available. I count five top prospects and several good ones. One could fall to us if we trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick or come up with a trade package involving Springs. I'd love to trade down and pick up DE Carriker later in the first. That would give us two beasts we could count on for years. I'd trade Springs and a #3 for a good shot at Carriker.

Consider a front four of Carriker, Okoye, Carter, and Griffin.

Griffin: Exceptional against the run and as a rusher.
Carter: Excellent speed rusher
Okoye: Future great. Occupies blockers, makes tackles at the line, puts pressure on the QB by crushing the pocket. May learn to finish well (19 years old, super intelliegent).
Carriker: A stone wall against the run and an adequate rusher.

I'd put Okoye and Carter on the right and Carrker on the left with Griffin to balance the front.

I'd also like a date with Angelina Joli.

how do we get a top 10 and top 20 pick in the first round?

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.

Okay. My opinion is only "arbitrary" because I did not have the time to qualify as to why those men are all boom or bust prospects.

First off, in every scouting report that we have seen on Landry, his only negative is either his size, speed, or timing of jumps to defend passes. His timing can easily be coached up. At the combine he measured at 6'2" 213 lbs., ran a 4.35 40 yd dash, 37 in vertical, and pressed 225 lbs. around 20 times. So those questions are immediately laid to rest.

Adams is a great player, but he is undersized for one at 261 lbs. That would prevent him from being on the field for all downs. He would get bullied by the average NFL tackle at 328 lbs.

Anderson has the size, but is coming off a freakishly good season and has yet to face the double teams that great DE's get the second time around. He also has been known to take a play or series of plays off. When he gets to the NFL he is gonna have to go all out every down. Especially if we take him high.

Branch is a monster in the middle, but suffers the same criticisms as Anderson. He takes too many plays off. And for anyone reading that has been on a team, that is one of the most egregious things that you can do while on the field. Plays get missed because of people taking plays off. Then one has to wonder, which version of the player will show up for the game - The beast or the Sloth.

If we trade, but dont trade out of the top 10, then we need the surest and most immediate impact player available. At that positions, hands down the best candidate is Landry. We can still use the acquired pick to get a DT or a DE/pass rush specialist in the 2nd-3rd round (a la MArk Anderson Chi Bears - 5 round pick with 12 sacks).

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was out pass defense. The skins lead the league in plays allowed over 20 yards! Horrible!!! We have done well fortifying that with our FA signing, but we still need a "TRUE" free safety. Its not Taylor and it damn sure aint Sean Springs! LAron People!! Then plug holes with our new picks.

FOCKER OUT!!

[That Guy]

springs was injured and our DB depth sucked. prioleau was out for the season after 1 snap. landry isn't going to be as big an improvement over prioleau (at a low value position) as a stud DL guy over the aging crap we have.