Before you put blame on one player..

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I wonder if some of these guys on both sides of the ball are playing with such an apparent lack of enthusiasm based on their confidence in the QB? Does anyone here think MB is inspiring anyone on the team? Without a leader the team is going nowhere.

i've expressed that exact same feeling before, there's something about making a defensive stop when you have confidence in a QB to make that crucial two-minute drive...but still, i doubt even that will make Carter and Arch better players, or Rogers close from that cushion.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i agree with all your statements, again, i think everyone here knows how pervasive our problems are on this team. it seemed like this thread was a reaction to all the calls for Brunell's head, as if they felt that would fix all our problems and i was just saying nobody thought that.

I know it may seem that way, because there has been alot of calls for MB's head, but there has also been calls for our coaches' heads and for other players. I am just hoping that people will understand the depth of our problems. Me, being a Brunell supporter for the most part, understand that it's time to allow Jason Campbell to come in and play. I support that 100%! If we were 6-3, I'd say no. I just hope people will realize that if and when Jason comes in, he is going to have a challenge. I believe that even for Campbell to give our team a spark, he's going to have to have better pass protection than what MB was given today.

[Citizens for 81]

Inspiration doesn't always come from a QB. It's a huge myth in football that the QB is always the leader of the team.

In fact anyone who's been associated with organized football will tell you most players can't stand their QB.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i've expressed that exact same feeling before, there's something about making a defensive stop when you have confidence in a QB to make that crucial two-minute drive...but still, i doubt even that will make Carter and Arch better players, or Rogers close from that cushion.

To follow up, does anyone on the team think JC will instill any confidence? Will Rogers step it up a notch when his Auburn buddy is behind center? Who knows, maybe Brunell's presence is actually a buzzkill in the locker room.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I know it may seem that way, because there has been alot of calls for MB's head, but there has also been calls for our coaches' heads and for other players. I am just hoping that people will understand the depth of our problems. Me, being a Brunell supporter for the most part, understand that it's time to allow Jason Campbell to come in and play. I support that 100%! If we were 6-3, I'd say no. I just hope people will realize that if and when Jason comes in, he is going to have a challenge. I believe that even for Campbell to give our team a spark, he's going to have to have better pass protection than what MB was given today.

I don't think anyone expects Campbell to turn our team into some offensive juggernaut. I think most expect him and our offense to struggle. BUT, I think most believe that our team needs a spark and Campbell will provide it. Moreover, I'd rather watch our team lose with Campbell to help our team's future than to watch our team lose with Brunell because Gibbs is enamored with Brunell's past.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

To follow up, does anyone on the team think JC will instill any confidence? Will Rogers step it up a notch when his Auburn buddy is behind center? Who knows, maybe Brunell's presence is actually a buzzkill in the locker room.

hell, a spark is a spark.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Citizens for 81

Inspiration doesn't always come from a QB. It's a huge myth in football that the QB is always the leader of the team.

In fact anyone who's been associated with organized football will tell you most players can't stand their QB.

I 'm not sure if this is true. But the bottom line is that great dynasty-type teams (49ers, Patriots, Cowboys) typically are remembered for the QBs. I kow there are exceptions (Gibbs Act I). Still, I'd like to see us have a franshise QB. Campbell might be that, but we'll never know if he's inactive every game. The Giants are on the right path with E. Manning.

[RedskinRat]

If you know your QB gives your Offense a shot at winning I don't think it matters if you like him.

Fuck, who'd have liked #7, he was a dick. Even said so himself, but you KNEW he could win. The D likes to see a QB who wins, it gives them more sideline time.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

I 'm not sure if this is true. But the bottom line is that great dynasty-type teams (49ers, Patriots, Cowboys) typically are remembered for the QBs. I kow there are exceptions (Gibbs Act I). Still, I'd like to see us have a franshise QB. Campbell might be that, but we'll never know if he's inactive every game. The Giants are on the right path with E. Manning.

Also, you don't have to like or dislike the QB in order to have a sense of confidence in his ability to lead the offense.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I don't think anyone expects Campbell to turn our team into some offensive juggernaut. I think most expect him and our offense to struggle. BUT, I think most believe that our team needs a spark and Campbell will provide it. Moreover, I'd rather watch our team lose with Campbell to help our team's future than to watch our team lose with Brunell because Gibbs is enamored with Brunell's past.

I agree that if we're losing with Brunell (and we are) then we might as well be losing with JC and getting him experience. I don't always agree that the QB is necessarily the guy who comes off the bench to add a spark to the team. I think back in the season with Shotty as our coach and we were 0-5. It wasn't the QB who gave us the spark, but Arrington's INT that turned our season around (well at least got us on track to winning more games.)

It may not been Campbell who gives us the spark...could be TJ Duckett...might be a defensive player that we decide to plug in. Who knows...but I am curious to find out what Jason can do for us.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Let's put our suckiness in perspective. Our offensive line's pass protection is very inconsistent, so whoever our QB is, they're going to have a rough time. Secondly, with Portis being hurt off and on this year, our running game has been inconsistent. When you're running game is inconsistent, that naturally puts more pressure on the QB. Thirdly, Brunell hasn't played awful or horrible this year, but he hasn't played great. He's been inconsistent as well, and that INT he threw today should've never been thrown by a veteran QB. Overall, I just don't see Mark Brunell being a good fit in this offense. I think if we had just added Loyd and ARE, and had kept the simple Gibbs offense from a year ago, we would have been just fine. Saunder's playcalling works when all the parts are consistent, but it's very suspect when the players aren't executing.

The defense has surprised me the most. The poor tackling and shotty secondary play are not characteristics of a GW defense. Even though our secondary play can be attributed to injuries, there is no excuse for the poor tackling. What happened to swarming to the ball?

So I guess what I am saying is, it's everybody's fault. It's Gibbs's fault, Saunders' fault, Williams's fault, and every player who suits up to play for us. Benching one player isn't going to fix all of our problems, although at this point , there is no reason NOT to put Campbell in now. At least give him some experience.

Firing coaches isn't the answer. I think we need to work on our offensive line, and Williams needs to teach the defense how to tackle. Until either one of those happens, expect more shotty play from our team.

HE SUCKS! plain and simple. there is not excuse..he offers no benefits. smart decisions?!?!? he has no future on an NFL field, time to move forward. bring on the second coming, lets see what JC has...

[backrow]

I'm not sure if it is the play calling or the execution.

I'm not sure if it is MB's inability to look downfield or the WR's inability to make MB see them.

I'm not sure our O can make a big play.

I'm not sure if our O-line knows how to block or for that matter, how to block!

I'm not sure our D knows what to do about "big" plays.

I'm not sure if it was the rain, or the mud today.

I'm not sure if it was the e-girls or us.

I'm not sure if it was A. Saunders or G. Williams.

I'm not sure if C. Portis can play with a broken hand!

And none of us have seen J.Campbell taking live fire, so we aren't sure about his ability.

But we can all be sure that our season is about over, and we don't have much of a Draft to look forward to!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, it's been a team effort all year. We've had piss poor performances from all the units at some point. You win as a team and lose as one, and we are definitely losing as one right now. I can't name anyone on either side of the ball that's been consistently good all year.

And boy, how many of us thought at the beginning of the season we would be where we are, or be saying the things we're saying about our team. One thing is for certain, we can't bench everybody because we still have eight more games to play. We are what we are, and that's not very good. There is plenty of blame to go around, not just the players but the coaching staff as well. Everybody has to take a look at themselves and share in what's wrong. I'm not convinced it's going to be fixed this year, but it will get fixed if they make the commitment.