The next four games may determine Zorn's fate.

hail_2_da_skins · 09-30-2009, 11:53 AM

As opposed to firing Jim Zorn. How about giving him some help. Hire a full time offensive coordinator that can take over the play calling responsibilities. Unfortunately, that would require Zorn to admit that he is failing in that role.

cocoajoey · 09-30-2009, 12:33 PM

I think his fate is already

SBXVII · 09-30-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cocoajoey

I think his fate is already

Since the first day with the Red, Black, and Yellow.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-30-2009, 01:44 PM

I could see Sherman Smith honestly taking over in the interim until next year...

SBXVII · 09-30-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I could see Sherman Smith honestly taking over in the interim until next year...

Umm, No. Sherman Smith is supposed to be the OC. He's the one up in the booth supposedly calling the plays. I know and you know he's not, but even he is not able to fix the problem. Unless Zorn is so wrapped around himself he is not listening to any of his offensive advisors?

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-30-2009, 02:08 PM

I didn't say he'd fix the problem, I just said I think he's interim coach until the next season.

SBXVII · 09-30-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I didn't say he'd fix the problem, I just said I think he's interim coach until the next season.

Yeah it might work. It would definitly show a sign to the fans that DS has bigger plans in the offseason.

skinsfaninok · 09-30-2009, 08:43 PM

Well yea I would say If we lose to Josh Johnson and the bucs he's gone asap!

BigHairedAristocrat · 10-01-2009, 01:22 PM

I know a number of people have expressed opinions that Zorn has only coached 19 games and the thought of firing him after such a short period of time would be ridiculous and reflect impatience on Snyders part. They argue that Coaches need a minimum of 2, and sometimes 3, years to fully implement their systems and start succeeding. I've seen Belichek sited as an example of this, how it took him many years, coaching several teams, before he finally became the greatest coach in the NFL.

However, there's a fatal flaw in that whole line of reasoning. Generally, when a coaching change is made, its because a team is piss-poor awful and the previous HC has been fired. The personnel is weak, and the team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. So yeah, its going to take a coach 2-3 years to turn it around.

But Jim Zorn inherited a team that made the playoffs in 2 of the previous 3 years. In my estimation, the first 8 games, when we went 6-2, had more to do with the carry-over from 2007 than anything else. AFter that, the whole team started to fall apart, and its continuing to fall apart now. Zorn has won 3 of his last 11 games, including losing to arguably the 3rd worst team in the history of the NFL.

Now, i'm not saying Zorn should just be fired if he continues to fail. Theres certainly no one on the staff who could come in and replace him. However, if he doesnt turn things around by the bye week, and Shanahan or Holmgren is willing to come in and coach the rest of the season, then Zorn should be fired, followed shortly by Cerrato.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-01-2009, 01:23 PM

Next four with the caveat that if he loses to Tampa he probably doesn't make the trip to Carolina...

09-30-2009, 11:53 AM	#1
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. As opposed to firing Jim Zorn. How about giving him some help. Hire a full time offensive coordinator that can take over the play calling responsibilities. Unfortunately, that would require Zorn to admit that he is failing in that role. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

09-30-2009, 12:33 PM	#2
cocoajoey Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 115	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. I think his fate is already

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TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 19,218	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. I could see Sherman Smith honestly taking over in the interim until next year... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 19,218	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. I didn't say he'd fix the problem, I just said I think he's interim coach until the next season. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-30-2009, 08:43 PM	#8
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,999	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. Well yea I would say If we lose to Josh Johnson and the bucs he's gone asap! __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

10-01-2009, 01:22 PM	#9
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. I know a number of people have expressed opinions that Zorn has only coached 19 games and the thought of firing him after such a short period of time would be ridiculous and reflect impatience on Snyders part. They argue that Coaches need a minimum of 2, and sometimes 3, years to fully implement their systems and start succeeding. I've seen Belichek sited as an example of this, how it took him many years, coaching several teams, before he finally became the greatest coach in the NFL. However, there's a fatal flaw in that whole line of reasoning. Generally, when a coaching change is made, its because a team is piss-poor awful and the previous HC has been fired. The personnel is weak, and the team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. So yeah, its going to take a coach 2-3 years to turn it around. But Jim Zorn inherited a team that made the playoffs in 2 of the previous 3 years. In my estimation, the first 8 games, when we went 6-2, had more to do with the carry-over from 2007 than anything else. AFter that, the whole team started to fall apart, and its continuing to fall apart now. Zorn has won 3 of his last 11 games, including losing to arguably the 3rd worst team in the history of the NFL. Now, i'm not saying Zorn should just be fired if he continues to fail. Theres certainly no one on the staff who could come in and replace him. However, if he doesnt turn things around by the bye week, and Shanahan or Holmgren is willing to come in and coach the rest of the season, then Zorn should be fired, followed shortly by Cerrato. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: The next four games may determine Zorn's fate. Next four with the caveat that if he loses to Tampa he probably doesn't make the trip to Carolina...

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