What's your take on our coaching?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really know who's fault it is, but the defense has given up some pretty inexcusable drives lately.

Like the 81 yarder that put Miami up 20-9? That one was a classic letdown from the offense. Not lettin em off the hook, but I wasn't surprised given the circumstance. We score on that drive rather than a rex INT, it's a different defense.

There have been games, e.g. Iggles 1st half, where they've been slow to get going or adjust. I'm not saying I want more 0 blitz but i have noticed its absence the last few weeks. Wonder if shanahan is micro-managing the D more?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I was going to start a new thread on this but now I dont feel like putting in the effort.Most of the bitching on this thread has been about the Shanahans,but what about Haslet?
Last yr the skins & texans were 2 of the worst if not the worst defenses in football.Skins had switched to 3-4 as we all know and it didnt work out well.
This yr the texans switch to a 3-4 with a new coach and no offseason to work on it.Theyre number 1 in the nfl on defense without their star player Mario Williams.So in less than a season Wade phillips has turned that defense around and we still suck.
Do you think its coaching? I dont see a big talent difference in the 2 teams.Or is it our offense sucks so ****ing bad the defense is not getting enough rest?

Well the Texans had a good offense already, but they couldn't get a defense decent enough to help them win games when it counted. But you are right, I think Phillips has done a good job in the 3-4 conversion. I wonder if he has done a better job at adapting his scheme to his players, rather than the other way around.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really know who's fault it is, but the defense has given up some pretty inexcusable drives lately.

Thats true but there's a lot of pressure on the D because they know they pretty much have to pitch a shut-out in order for the Skins to have a shot at winning.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.

I believe that Mike is doing everything he possibly can to rebuild this team. We, as Redskins fans, are just too darned impatient to see the process through. As I have always said, we don't know what truly goes on on the sidelines. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. With that said, we have to take a look at the big picture and everything that has happened to this team. The injuries have been horrid this year. Can't really blame the coaching staff for that. If the Redskins don't have those injuries, things could be a lot different for this team. IMHO, Mike is as much in teacher mode for these young players right now as he is in coaching mode. He wants these players to work hard and to play smart. He wants to see how they react in certain situations on the field. Yes, this stuff should be seen during preseason, but in all honesty, I don't think you can clearly get the full answer until you put these players in those situations when it actually counts.

With that said, I really don't have an opinion either way. I don't believe one can truly assess this coaching staff until all the pieces are in place. I think until the Redskins find their franchise QB, build depth on that OL, have their players in skilled positions healthy, then how can we really truly assess Mike Shanahan? I'll admit, I'm a bit skeptical on the Kyle philosophy meshing well with the Mike (run first) philosophy, but I'm willing to keep things as is until we get better players on this team. I believe it's just as simple as that. I think you assess the coaching staff once the rebuilding has been "completed". In other words, I'd wouldn't assess the coaching staff until season number three has been completed.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well the Texans had a good offense already, but they couldn't get a defense decent enough to help them win games when it counted. But you are right, I think Phillips has done a good job in the 3-4 conversion. I wonder if he has done a better job at adapting his scheme to his players, rather than the other way around.

Tubby's D is like a 4-3 in some respects. Interesting breakdown from a Texans fan in the link below.

Wade Phillips: Is it a 3-4, a 4-3 hybrid, or a 50? - ClutchFans

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I believe that Mike is doing everything he possibly can to rebuild this team. We, as Redskins fans, are just too darned impatient to see the process through. As I have always said, we don't know what truly goes on on the sidelines. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. With that said, we have to take a look at the big picture and everything that has happened to this team. The injuries have been horrid this year. Can't really blame the coaching staff for that. If the Redskins don't have those injuries, things could be a lot different for this team. IMHO, Mike is as much in teacher mode for these young players right now as he is in coaching mode. He wants these players to work hard and to play smart. He wants to see how they react in certain situations on the field. Yes, this stuff should be seen during preseason, but in all honesty, I don't think you can clearly get the full answer until you put these players in those situations when it actually counts.

With that said, I really don't have an opinion either way. I don't believe one can truly assess this coaching staff until all the pieces are in place. I think until the Redskins find their franchise QB, build depth on that OL, have their players in skilled positions healthy, then how can we really truly assess Mike Shanahan? I'll admit, I'm a bit skeptical on the Kyle philosophy meshing well with the Mike (run first) philosophy, but I'm willing to keep things as is until we get better players on this team. I believe it's just as simple as that. I think you assess the coaching staff once the rebuilding has been "completed". In other words, I'd wouldn't assess the coaching staff until season number three has been completed.

Exactly, Mike already gets a free pass for this season. Very few coaches would be able to turn what this team currently is into a winner. Our team is dreadful from the center to the quarterback, we're absolute garbage right now.

Our defense on the other hand would undeniably be in the top 5 with a little bit of help. There are a lot of teams that would switch defenses with us.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Tubby's D is like a 4-3 in some respects. Interesting breakdown from a Texans fan in the link below.

Wade Phillips: Is it a 3-4, a 4-3 hybrid, or a 50? - ClutchFans

Phillip's 3-4 would fit our team better. Especially with Cofield at NT.

[musicmaster45]

Me and my dad were talking last night and he thought if we are at a top 5 pick next year shannahan will be gone and he thinks Gruden will be our coach due to the fact he has worked with Allen before in Tampa.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really know who's fault it is, but the defense has given up some pretty inexcusable drives lately.

This season is going to parallel my uncle's last year at Ohio St. He lost Chris Carter for taking the money from that agent, then lost most of his offensive line to year ending injuries before the Big Ten season started. The D, anchored by Chris Spielman kept the team in games til week 8 when they just collapsed from having the pressure put on them the whole year. They regrouped for the U of M game, but not til my UNcle got the boot. You can't expect the D to be on the field for so long in game after game without reaching a breaking point. Haslett needs to feel a little heat, but the Shanahans need to be scorched then.

[GusFrerotte]

I can be a patient man and give Shanny two years to give us something that resembles a competitve football team. I am not even talking about playoffs, just competitive like ole Norv's 7-9 to 9-7 seasons, which signals we are indeed moving in some positive direction. If that doesn't happen then we were hoodwinked again by Snyder, with yet another sexy franchise move. Asking for a competitive team next year might be asking too much since we would have a rookie QB, but his sophmore season there has to be some marked improvement. We can't abandon retooling the D either, as we need to revamp both the secondary and LB corp.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I was going to start a new thread on this but now I dont feel like putting in the effort.Most of the bitching on this thread has been about the Shanahans,but what about Haslet?
Last yr the skins & texans were 2 of the worst if not the worst defenses in football.Skins had switched to 3-4 as we all know and it didnt work out well.
This yr the texans switch to a 3-4 with a new coach and no offseason to work on it.Theyre number 1 in the nfl on defense without their star player Mario Williams.So in less than a season Wade phillips has turned that defense around and we still suck.
Do you think its coaching? I dont see a big talent difference in the 2 teams.Or is it our offense sucks so ****ing bad the defense is not getting enough rest?

Defensively though, I think the greatest myth in Skins history is this absurd notion Shanny/Haslett have improved the defense. It's...just...effing...absurd. The average defensive units in the Williams/Blache era would have held the Dolphins to less than ten points today. I understand new fans, as in those who just "followed" Mike the Rat to DC, as believing the defense is improved. Certainly our avg at best defense (this year) is better than worst in the league (last year), so again I understand the mistake from a new fan. But for anyone who's watched this team since about '04...c'mon people denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I soooooooo miss the Williams/Blache days of run stuffing, contain defense. With a legit FS and QB we would have been elite. Eff Shanny for setting the defense back so far.

Something I posted in the last smackdown thread. Yep Haslett is certainly part of the coaching (disaster), but still the decision to switch to a 4-3 which required a huge draft/FA investment was totally on Mike I believe.

Haslett is who he is...a motivator but not a smart or talented coach. Problem is now he's not able to consistently motivate his squad because the overall leadership situation is a quagmire.

No real surprise about the Texans though right? Shanny owes his championships to Wade as much as Elway, Davis, Sharp, Romanowski etc.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by musicmaster45

Me and my dad were talking last night and he thought if we are at a top 5 pick next year shannahan will be gone and he thinks Gruden will be our coach due to the fact he has worked with Allen before in Tampa.

Would love this scenario! I trust Allen more as our personnel guru than Shanny so we could have a more traditional FO structure w/ Gruden in here to coach/motivate.

And as GTripp has wisely argued do we really want a lame duck coach (Mike) involved in the next draft w/ so many picks at stake?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Would love this scenario! I trust Allen more as our personnel guru than Shanny so we could have a more traditional FO structure w/ Gruden in here to coach/motivate.

And as GTripp has wisely argued do we really want a lame duck coach (Mike) involved in the next draft w/ so many picks at stake?

Oh geez, Gruden gobbled up quarterbacks faster than Albert Haynesworth at a burger stop and NONE of them panned out. Simms' injury might have been beyond his control, but still. At least Shanahan has Cutler as a super success.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Oh geez, Gruden gobbled up quarterbacks faster than Albert Haynesworth at a burger stop and NONE of them panned out. Simms' injury might have been beyond his control, but still. At least Shanahan has Cutler as a super success.

Truth you speak but I don't remember Gruden having any legit talent to work w/ at QB either...maybe I'm wrong?

And I would also say Cutler is better w/o Mike.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Truth you speak but I don't remember Gruden having any legit talent to work w/ at QB either...maybe I'm wrong?

And I would also say Cutler is better w/o Mike.

Well, you are correct, Simms was their only high draft pick, and he was only a third rounder. He rolled with Garcia and Griese, two guys who developed elsewhere. Still, Gruden probably has a more undeserved reputation as some QB guru than Shanahan.

I'm sure Cutler is dreaming of 2008. Throwing to Marshall. 4500+ yard season. Only 13 sacks instead of the 30+ behind the Bears' Oline.