2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[saden1]

400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.

huh ?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

huh ?

Obama is a bad man, he hates business and America...as Dirtbag wisely articulated, we got to stop the war on wall street. No Glass Steagall Act, no regulation. No loophole closures, no consumer protections. Time to free the crooks and let freedom reign.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.

As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com

Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?

[NC_Skins]

^^ Seeing the above. I still wonder why some of you continue to bicker about Obama, when the single biggest issue around is something you continue to ignore. I even made a thread on this, and not even one reply. Nothing.

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...-lobbying.html


Not busy enough to busy to bash the Democratic leader, but too busy to listen to podcast? Your politicians are bought and paid for.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?

Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of...

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.


Lobbying spent by industries
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

Lobbying spent by Top Spenders
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.


(watch the video where he interviews a lobbyist)
Corporations Have Unlimited Lobbying Power, Lobbyist Says (VIDEO)

Carrying on with your party's falsehood claims though.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.

You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.


There is a difference between bad legislation and being on the house floor to buy votes, literally. If you want accountability how can you expect anyone to hold Dems accountable if the other guys are even more crooked?

[GusFrerotte]

Unless you abolish the Federal reserve, get back to the gold standard and revoke the legal tender laws nothing that either one of these guys do will prevent an upcoming collapse. Up to 50% of our debt comes due in 2015 and unless the Federal Govt shuts down completely and raises taxes, there is no way in Hades that we are going to forestall hyperinflationary collapse unless we default on the debt. ANd even then things are going to get nasty around the globe. Don't be surprised if we get hit a gain with another spectacualr terror attack, then we hit Iran and maybe see Israel roll tanks into Lebanon again. This is playing out like the crap that happened before the prelude to both world wars.

[Chico23231]

^ amazin this is what the media and the NY goverment is focused on. simply amazing.

[12thMan]

Stephanie Cutter: Medicare Whiteboard - YouTube

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Stephanie Cutter: Medicare Whiteboard - YouTube

Certainly Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager is shooting straight. LOLOLOL.

This video is complete crap and nothing more than scare tactics targeted at seniors.
- CBO has said the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt by 2020....if nothing's done. Pull $ 716B out of Medicare as Obama wants you'll be looking at 2016 for an insolvent date.
- a vote to support Obama and pull money from Medicare to accelarate ObamaCare is a vote for rationing of health care for seniors.
- The Obama campaign is in usual full-on lie/distortion mode here as the Romney/Ryan plan doesn't make any changes for folks over 55.

Here's some facts from a Congressman who was a doctor:
Why ObamaCare is bad medicine for seniors - The Hill's Congress Blog

From the link: ObamaCare included another provision that could result in a European style of rationing of care based on age or severity of health problems. This 15-member bureaucratic panel appointed by the president, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), is intended to control future Medicare spending. If Medicare grows beyond its yearly target, then IPAB will make a recommendation of cuts..... cuts to Medicare will be all but guaranteed. With the previously mentioned cuts to Medicare, the only real option left is to begin rationing care to seniors by controlling the way physicians practice medicine. There is no reason to have unelected bureaucrats invading the doctor-patient relationship and manipulating medical decisions based on costs.

One ironic result of IPAB is the strong bipartisan support for its repeal. Several House Democrats were opposed to the formation of this board. Dr. Phil Roe of Tennessee, a fellow physician, introduced a bill to repeal IPAB, which has received the support of 221 members, including Barney Frank and 14 other Democratic Members of Congress.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Certainly Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager is shooting straight. LOLOLOL.

This video is complete crap and nothing more than scare tactics targeted at seniors.
- CBO has said the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt by 2020....if nothing's done. Pull $ 716B out of Medicare as Obama wants you'll be looking at 2016 for an insolvent date.
- a vote to support Obama and pull money from Medicare to accelarate ObamaCare is a vote for rationing of health care for seniors.
- The Obama campaign is in usual full-on lie/distortion mode here as the Romney/Ryan plan doesn't make any changes for folks over 55.

Here's some facts from a Congressman who was a doctor:
Why ObamaCare is bad medicine for seniors - The Hill's Congress Blog

From the link: ObamaCare included another provision that could result in a European style of rationing of care based on age or severity of health problems. This 15-member bureaucratic panel appointed by the president, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), is intended to control future Medicare spending. If Medicare grows beyond its yearly target, then IPAB will make a recommendation of cuts..... cuts to Medicare will be all but guaranteed. With the previously mentioned cuts to Medicare, the only real option left is to begin rationing care to seniors by controlling the way physicians practice medicine. There is no reason to have unelected bureaucrats invading the doctor-patient relationship and manipulating medical decisions based on costs.

One ironic result of IPAB is the strong bipartisan support for its repeal. Several House Democrats were opposed to the formation of this board. Dr. Phil Roe of Tennessee, a fellow physician, introduced a bill to repeal IPAB, which has received the support of 221 members, including Barney Frank and 14 other Democratic Members of Congress.

Simple question. Ideology aside,was there anything factually incorrect in what she said? Yes or no

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Simple question. Ideology aside,was there anything factually incorrect in what she said? Yes or no

Yes, several factual inaccuracies.

Cutter: Obama's plan doesn't cut benefits. Lie.
Truth: Even factcheck agrees Obama's plan will reduce benefits for those on Medicare Advantage plans.

Cutter claims Romney's plan "takes away guaranteed benefits for seniors". Flat out lie.
Truth: Romney and Ryan have said several times, their plan doesn't affect anyone under 55.

Cutter: Obama's plan extends Medicare by 8 years.....straight BS. This is likely a wild distortion from the absurd claim that under Romney/Ryan Medicare is bankrupt by 2016 and under Obama's plan it doesn't bankrupt until 2024.
Truth: CBO and many others have stated the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt under Obama's plan, best case by 2024, worst case by 2020. I don't know where the hell Cutter's claim of Medicare being bankrupt by 2016 comes from.

That's a start. While I'm answering stuff....whatever happened to the Obama junk-bond loans to bankrupt green energy companies response? Don't kill yourself on it, there is no response other than "galactically corrupt".