2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.

As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com

Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?

[NC_Skins]

^^ Seeing the above. I still wonder why some of you continue to bicker about Obama, when the single biggest issue around is something you continue to ignore. I even made a thread on this, and not even one reply. Nothing.

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...-lobbying.html


Not busy enough to busy to bash the Democratic leader, but too busy to listen to podcast? Your politicians are bought and paid for.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?

Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of...

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.


Lobbying spent by industries
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

Lobbying spent by Top Spenders
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.


(watch the video where he interviews a lobbyist)
Corporations Have Unlimited Lobbying Power, Lobbyist Says (VIDEO)

Carrying on with your party's falsehood claims though.

[NC_Skins]

Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose.




Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against' | Music News | Rolling Stone

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose.

haha Morello just pwned the crap outta him...

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "**** the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!

Something tells me Ryan really doesn't "get" Rage Against the Machine. He might listen, but he's not really hearing it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.

You are truly the smartest guy on the board

While your internert search capabilities to back up your off-base viewpoints are admirable, your ability to not read what you want into someone's posts to counter them is suspect at best.

Here's what I said: But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

Perhaps you should not just throw up specific industries that lobby but look at who controls the specific firms within that sector. What you'll find is that the balance is relatively even between contributions to D & R. What I didn't mention (but obviously should have) is PAC contributions and lobbying while different technically still have the same goal....to pay for influence. When you look at PAC numbers under Labor their contributions are significant and overwhelmingly Dem.

I couldn't even find Phillip Morris or what I recognize as a tobacco lobby listed in the Top Spenders. But I did find GE (big Obama supporter) listed #2 in spending, along with the AMA and AARP.

So anyway, as usual, it is you who don't get it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You are truly the smartest guy on the board

That honor belongs to Smoot due to his inside sources. He really is the international man of mystery.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Here's what I said: But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

I interpret that sentence as........."For every business lobby out there, you have a corresponding environmental and labor union with it." Now, if that wasn't what you were implying, I humbly apologize and retract.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Perhaps you should not just throw up specific industries that lobby but look at who controls the specific firms within that sector. What you'll find is that the balance is relatively even between contributions to D & R. What I didn't mention (but obviously should have) is PAC contributions and lobbying while different technically still have the same goal....to pay for influence. When you look at PAC numbers under Labor their contributions are significant and overwhelmingly Dem.

I couldn't even find Phillip Morris or what I recognize as a tobacco lobby listed in the Top Spenders. But I did find GE (big Obama supporter) listed #2 in spending, along with the AMA and AARP.

So anyway, as usual, it is you who don't get it.

See, this is the part you don't get and why I said you don't get it. Where in my post did I mention anything about democrat or republican? Yet, you are up here chirping about lobbying spending big dough to Obama and the Dems. You are so caught up in your conservatives vs liberal war, you don't even see the avalanche coming down the slope and its coming from both parties. (or maybe you do see it and continue to support it??) Corporate America owns you. I posted the link you need to see and hear, and yet you haven't commented one bit on the status of campaign financing and big money lobbyists.

That said, Union and Environmental lobbying spending is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate spending, which is why you see Unions being snuffed out via legislation.

Also, you should probably view this in case you missed it. A interview with a lobbyist talking about how corrupt and F'd the system is. (applies to both sides of the fence)

Confessions of a lobbyist - Video on NBCNews.com

[NC_Skins]

Very relevant.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.

You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.


There is a difference between bad legislation and being on the house floor to buy votes, literally. If you want accountability how can you expect anyone to hold Dems accountable if the other guys are even more crooked?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.

It is relevant in the larger sense, but not relevant to your statement specific to Wall St. and the recent collapse.

Anyone, on either side of the aisle, taking lobbyist money to influence legislation should be investigated and if laws broken prosecuted.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It is relevant in the larger sense, but not relevant to your statement specific to Wall St. and the recent collapse.

Anyone, on either side of the aisle, taking lobbyist money to influence legislation should be investigated and if laws broken prosecuted.

By your own standards then what laws did Frank brake for you to want him to be put in jail? Perhaps you should consider raising your standards and say no to the "free" lobbyist checks all together? Or would that infringe on their free speech and lose Romney the election?


....trifling in ethics is easy, following through with your convictions, not so much...just ask a Republican politician.