What's your take on our coaching?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

I think Mike/Bruce walked into a hornets nest and came out alive ... they managed to get rid of the problems while building the RIGHT way. This season had us all drinking mad kool-aid at 3-1 and that's OK. Our defense is playoff caliber and you know what , if we are building our YOUNG defense first that's fine with me. Helu, Hankerson, Austin, Paul, Davis, Williams, Monty (his is a better C than you think), Paulsen, hell i'll even throw in Torrain & Hightower (just have a feeling he will be back & Cooley) .. this is a young offense learning while we have a young defense that has learned .. Bowen(only 4-5 years in league) , Jenkins next year ?? , Landry, OJ I like .. Gomes is going to be special I think . Love Neild at NT ... Kerrackpo are among leagues best .. d-hall has a solid 4 years left being a top CB .. Wilson will work out fine ... we can probably pick up a solid CB in free agency next year .. focus draft on QB ... How about the dude from Baylor .. Griffin III .... give some damn patience Redskins Nation .. you bitch about change so for once give us a second to let Shanny roll with the punches for MINIMUM 3 YEARS i'm down for all 5. Either way, could be worse, you could be the EAGLes who spent millions upon millions and I believe have the same record as us ? Good luck to Becky to get a W down in Miami .. 4-5 with Dallas on the plate .. who knows ... take it in people we are rebuilding and it's going to pay off dramatically for years to come.

I'll do my part....and I think they'll do theirs...........
It made me feel warm and fuzzy all over. I needed that after the Penn St news of the Millenium......

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by The Goat

That's...just...nonsense. Remember had we built the defense around AH (before all the drama) the DL situation was sublime. AC next to AH was amazing. Orakpo could have held down SAM or even become the LDE and then Rocky would be here as WIL regardless. The only absolute need to round out the 4-3 was a legit FS.

More importantly...this is an absurd debate the opportunity cost of blowing up the defense is painfully obvious.

Bottome line is Mike is a megalomaniac and will force the "system" whatever it happens to be on the roster regardless of opportunity cost, scheme fit etc.

Admittedly, I worded that badly. I made it sound like we were set in the secondary and depthwise
The point is, establish the front 7, and team can at least bear the poorness of the secondary behind them with a punishing pass rush and an impenetrable run defense. NT is the key to that, and we need a more prototypical NT to complement Cofield. Rocky and Fletch might need successors in the near future, hence the need for ILBs.

You're use of opportunity cost confuses me. If the opportunity cost of our transition was to stay with the 4-3, we have to look at the production(i.e sacks, turnovers, pressures, coverage) of the various schemes(it would have been new anyway) not just in the short term, where the where one of the inputs(labor, capital) are fixed, but in the long term, where the any input can be modified. The switch to the 3-4 could be considered a very costly investment of sorts(similar to an investment in a new plant, i.e new technology), except poor play is the negative outcome instead of the loss of money. However, if this investment would then help reach a level of productivity well past the old levels, then there is certainly a case to be made for making such an investment.

Also, there is another alternative that could have been the best one(the opportunity cost), which is making a more gradual transition to the 3-4.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He knocks down a lot of passes. Pretty much one per game.

Cofield is very active for a NT and draws a double team based on his ability to show up on film. That sounds great, but ultimately, he gets moved around a bunch in the running game, particularly on draws. It's not a lack of discipline, it's just his player type. He's disruptive, but not particularly quick or strong for the position.

The true test for Cofield is if he wears down over the course of the season or not. If he's playing like this in December, I'd say you have the long term solution at NT. If he's just getting knocked around, they'll need someone else to execute the defense.

I know it is really hard to notice the production of 3-4 NTs, but seeing Cofield getting manhandled by the Giants' rookie center in week one was very disappointing. I think he's had some good games here and there, but I just don't see him having the same effect that a NT like Hampton or Wilfork (when the Pats ran the 3-4). I just think that Cofield would be more productive as a DE instead of NT.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

I think Mike/Bruce walked into a hornets nest and came out alive ... they managed to get rid of the problems while building the RIGHT way. This season had us all drinking mad kool-aid at 3-1 and that's OK. Our defense is playoff caliber and you know what , if we are building our YOUNG defense first that's fine with me. Helu, Hankerson, Austin, Paul, Davis, Williams, Monty (his is a better C than you think), Paulsen, hell i'll even throw in Torrain & Hightower (just have a feeling he will be back & Cooley) .. this is a young offense learning while we have a young defense that has learned .. Bowen(only 4-5 years in league) , Jenkins next year ?? , Landry, OJ I like .. Gomes is going to be special I think . Love Neild at NT ... Kerrackpo are among leagues best .. d-hall has a solid 4 years left being a top CB .. Wilson will work out fine ... we can probably pick up a solid CB in free agency next year .. focus draft on QB ... How about the dude from Baylor .. Griffin III .... give some damn patience Redskins Nation .. you bitch about change so for once give us a second to let Shanny roll with the punches for MINIMUM 3 YEARS i'm down for all 5. Either way, could be worse, you could be the EAGLes who spent millions upon millions and I believe have the same record as us ? Good luck to Becky to get a W down in Miami .. 4-5 with Dallas on the plate .. who knows ... take it in people we are rebuilding and it's going to pay off dramatically for years to come.

"They managed to get rid of the problems while building the RIGHT way" They got rid of a few problem children; that is for sure and that is surely positive. Building a team where the QB options are Rex Grossman and John Beck is NOT - - let me repeat NOT - - the RIGHT way. Building a team that carries 8 or 9 WRs (only one of whom is worth the powder it would take to blow him away) and 2 back-up OL is not the RIGHT way.


"dhall has a solid 4 years left as a top CB"
Not sure he is a "top CB" now. 64 CBs start every week in the NFL. Just a guess but there are at least a dozen - - and probably 20 that are as good or better than he is.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

"dhall has a solid 4 years left as a top CB"
Not sure he is a "top CB" now. 64 CBs start every week in the NFL. Just a guess but there are at least a dozen - - and probably 20 that are as good or better than he is.

I'll take the over.

[SFREDSKIN]

NFL.com news: Redskins' Shanahan: 'I believe in both these quarterbacks'

[backrow]

Wide variety of coaching candidates available - NFL - Yahoo! Sports


Potential HC Candidates include Jim Useless, and Shanahan II? Say it ain't so!

I don't see HC potential in either one, frankly! Can we all say: OVERRATED!!!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by backrow

Wide variety of coaching candidates available - NFL - Yahoo! Sports


Potential HC Candidates include Jim Useless, and Shanahan II? Say it ain't so!

I don't see HC potential in either one, frankly! Can we all say: OVERRATED!!!

That list is...speculative to say the least lol.

G Williams 3rd year in New Orleans has certainly been disappointing especially given the talent they added in FA and draft over the last two years.

[skins89moss]

I remember when Dick Vermeil was hired to coach the Rams in 1997, here is his record.
1997 ( 5-11)
1998 (4-12)
1999 (13-3) Super Bowl Champs
His first 2 seasons everyone was calling for him to be fired, he cant coach any more etc...
He left to coach KC and here is his record
2001 (6-10)
2002 (8-8)
2003 (13-3)
2004 (7-9)
2005 (10-6)

I think Dick Vermeil is simular to Mike Shannahan during his career. Dick Vermeil won 1 Suoer Bowl with Kurt Warner and had success with Trent Green in KC.
Vermeil coached the Eagles from 1976-1982 and went to the Super Bowl in 1980 with Ron Jaws as his QB, They lost to the Raiders. Looking at his success Vermeil had a Great QB in Kurt Warner 2 good QB's in Green and Jaws.
Shanny needs to get his QB to get this franchise back to winning.

[The Goat]

My intuition is after Shanny leaves or gets fired there will be disclosure at some point he wasn't doing much with the team. The players clearly aren't motivated, inspired by him and there's no way the offensive scheme and overall coordination could really be this bad with a full-time HC.

...Mike has always been a money guy and I really doubt he's much concerned with the team's performance while earning a guaranteed $5 mil per year. Perfect circumstances gave him two championships.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by The Goat

My intuition is after Shanny leaves or gets fired there will be disclosure at some point he wasn't doing much with the team. The players clearly aren't motivated, inspired by him and there's no way the offensive scheme and overall coordination could really be this bad with a full-time HC.

...Mike has always been a money guy and I really doubt he's much concerned with the team's performance while earning a guaranteed $5 mil per year. Perfect circumstances gave him two championships.

My sentiment exactly. How to you watch film and not know McNabb throws dirt balls, or Grossman throws INTs for no reason, or Doughty is horrible at safety. They act like they are surprised at these things.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Not sure he is a "top CB" now. 64 CBs start every week in the NFL. Just a guess but there are at least a dozen - - and probably 20 that are as good or better than he is.

he never was... I, too, will take the over.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Mike Shanahan is a very good coach. But his job becomes 1000% harder when he makes personnel decisions. If he concentrated on just being the head coach, then the Redskins would be a much better team. Since Bruce Allen is the GM, I've always wondered just how much he's involved in player evaluations, scouting potential collegiate players and free agents, and acquiring players in general. I'm not saying that a head coach can't be the head coach and be in charge of his roster, but does anyone have enough braincells to be able to do both jobs?

I say do it the way it's supposed to be done. Let Bruce Allen choose the players, and let Mike Shanahan coach them.

[htownskinfan]

I was going to start a new thread on this but now I dont feel like putting in the effort.Most of the bitching on this thread has been about the Shanahans,but what about Haslet?
Last yr the skins & texans were 2 of the worst if not the worst defenses in football.Skins had switched to 3-4 as we all know and it didnt work out well.
This yr the texans switch to a 3-4 with a new coach and no offseason to work on it.Theyre number 1 in the nfl on defense without their star player Mario Williams.So in less than a season Wade phillips has turned that defense around and we still suck.
Do you think its coaching? I dont see a big talent difference in the 2 teams.Or is it our offense sucks so ****ing bad the defense is not getting enough rest?

[SmootSmack]

I don't really know who's fault it is, but the defense has given up some pretty inexcusable drives lately.