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[musicmaster45]

NFL.com news: Shanahan warned son Kyle not to take Redskins' OC job

Interesting. Kyle choose to be here and Mike only kinda wanted him

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't understand this. If the Shanahan's were going to install an offensive system regardless of the roster, then building up the offense should've been the priority.

There were an enormous amount of holes on both sides of the ball. It was simply deemed that there were more on defense considering the switch in schemes. Plus I'm still convinced that 75% of any given offense is the qb, wich we do not have. Peyton Mannings absence this year proves that IMO. We simply didn't think that there was anyone good enough to pick up/draft this offseason. We're not going to take someone we think will be bad because we already have someone who is bad. That's dumb.

Plus there's been way more injuries to the offense than defense.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

More than Shanny had when he took over that's for sure.

We will eventually come to the realization that this is a process that's going to take time to complete. Shanahan has been reluctant at times to use the word "rebuilding", but it's clear, situations and circumstances have forced him to go with younger players that are gaining valuable experience.

This is what rebuilding looks like

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

More than Shanny had when he took over that's for sure.

I think this is fallacious.

Shanny took over a team that had Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Albert Haynesworth, Andre Carter, Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, Carlos Rogers, DeAngelo Hall, and LaRon Landry. That core was as talented as any core that changed its coaching staff over in the last two seasons.

I think it would be correct to say that that core hasn't produced very much in the Shanahan era. But plenty of the blame for that lies in who they decided to keep and who they decided to jettison.

And if Harbaugh had taken the job and decided to start gutting the roster of talented guys who didn't fit his scheme: dumped Smith, traded Vernon Davis, benched Crabtree, brought in some veterans to fill holes on defense instead of playing young guys like Navarro Bowman, Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks, and Ricky Jean-Francois, I think it's safe to say the 49ers wouldn't be 7-1 and seriously eyeing the super bowl.

But whose fault would that be? Mike Singletary's fault? Trent Baalke's fault? I guess. In a world where the current guy is never responsible for the state of the roster, you have to find a scapegoat I suppose.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

They(coaches) are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poop but Harbaugh's chicken salad looks great.

3 first round o-linemen, Pro bowl back, pro bowl TE, two WR's taken in the top 10. Given Alex smith isn't good, I don't think we can say its the same tools around him. I don't think it will be good chicken salad untill they get get a better qb, but the pieces around him prevent them from being chicken poop.

Plus when comparing us to them, we need to take into account injuries.

[SmootSmack]

The real test will be what will Harbaugh do when Alex Smith is a free agent at the end of this year. His hands were a bit tied because of the lockout, which is a big reason he didn't make many moves particularly at QB. But after this season, will he offer the big money to Smith and say "yes you're my guy" or will he say "thanks, but I just needed a temporary solution"

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real test will be what will Harbaugh do when Alex Smith is a free agent at the end of this year. His hands were a bit tied because of the lockout, which is a big reason he didn't make many moves particularly at QB. But after this season, will he offer the big money to Smith and say "yes you're my guy" or will he say "thanks, but I just needed a temporary solution"

My guess is he will get a raise (cap friendly and affordable) and if not, Kaapernick is being groomed.

[SirClintonPortis]

Our roster isn't anywhere close to what Harbaugh inheirited. The 49ers had a top-tier rush defense LAST YEAR(I knew very well not to start RBs against 'Frisco in fantasy). They improved their pass D by drafting Aldon Smith and signing 'Los(who's average play here might be partially related to the work environment.

Offensively, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore have been consistently productive since 2009 and are safe to consider "still in their prime". Our offensive talents were aging, mediocre, or just plain ass.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by musicmaster45

NFL.com news: Shanahan warned son Kyle not to take Redskins' OC job

Interesting. Kyle choose to be here and Mike only kinda wanted him

I tried to tell people this. Noooo.... Reading coach speak and learning when they are bullshitting is key. When the guy says things, like in this article, and when he says "this is going to take time", he's telling you "this team sucks and we are rebuilding" without actually using those words. Team was so devoid of talent. It's just the Skins fans put their players on some sort of high pedestal that isn't indicative of their real talent. My only problem with his plan of rebuilding was bringing in McDummy.

[SBXVII]

On a similar theme did anyone else hear on 106.7 FM the News section coming out of a break of the Lavar and Dukes show said that it's been reported the Skins are presently looking through the available WR's on the market to see what Vets are worth bringing in? It followed right after MS mentioned that people really don't know whats going on and (refering to players) some people need to stop running their mouths especially when they are not doing their job. lol.

So .... who gets brought in?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

On a similar theme did anyone else hear on 106.7 FM the News section coming out of a break of the Lavar and Dukes show said that it's been reported the Skins are presently looking through the available WR's on the market to see what Vets are worth bringing in? It followed right after MS mentioned that people really don't know whats going on and (refering to players) some people need to stop running their mouths especially when they are not doing their job. lol.

So .... who gets brought in?

What?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What?

Wondering the same.. would like to see full question and answer... only thing I can think of is Gaffney mentioning being open several times

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by musicmaster45

NFL.com news: Shanahan warned son Kyle not to take Redskins' OC job

Interesting. Kyle choose to be here and Mike only kinda wanted him

The comment under the article mentions the opportunity cost (w/o using the term) of Mike choosing to blow up the defense instead of concentrating on the offense right off the bat. I think the honest observer would admit the defense isn't even as good as what he inherited, and especially if you consider that probably adding a great FS and one more corner and we'd have made that top 10 defense an elite one. Instead the offense is the worst it's been in several years and the defense is still worse than it was.

I can't effing believe Mike still has supporters...it's just laughable. Every football fan I talk to outside Skins fans (and even some of them) see Mike has lost it and most of the roster has mailed it in. Ugh.

On a brighter note the level of play apart from Washington has been better than I expected w/ the lockout and compressed preseason.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real test will be what will Harbaugh do when Alex Smith is a free agent at the end of this year. His hands were a bit tied because of the lockout, which is a big reason he didn't make many moves particularly at QB. But after this season, will he offer the big money to Smith and say "yes you're my guy" or will he say "thanks, but I just needed a temporary solution"

Scary to think what the Niners will be w/ an elite QB!!!!!!!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Our roster isn't anywhere close to what Harbaugh inheirited. The 49ers had a top-tier rush defense LAST YEAR(I knew very well not to start RBs against 'Frisco in fantasy). They improved their pass D by drafting Aldon Smith and signing 'Los(who's average play here might be partially related to the work environment.

Offensively, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore have been consistently productive since 2009 and are safe to consider "still in their prime". Our offensive talents were aging, mediocre, or just plain ass.

Shanahan inherited a better defense than Harbaugh did period end of sentence. What he chose to do w/ it is the real story.