What's your take on our coaching?

[SirClintonPortis]

Our roster isn't anywhere close to what Harbaugh inheirited. The 49ers had a top-tier rush defense LAST YEAR(I knew very well not to start RBs against 'Frisco in fantasy). They improved their pass D by drafting Aldon Smith and signing 'Los(who's average play here might be partially related to the work environment.

Offensively, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore have been consistently productive since 2009 and are safe to consider "still in their prime". Our offensive talents were aging, mediocre, or just plain ass.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Our roster isn't anywhere close to what Harbaugh inheirited. The 49ers had a top-tier rush defense LAST YEAR(I knew very well not to start RBs against 'Frisco in fantasy). They improved their pass D by drafting Aldon Smith and signing 'Los(who's average play here might be partially related to the work environment.

Offensively, Vernon Davis and Frank Gore have been consistently productive since 2009 and are safe to consider "still in their prime". Our offensive talents were aging, mediocre, or just plain ass.

Shanahan inherited a better defense than Harbaugh did period end of sentence. What he chose to do w/ it is the real story.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Shanahan inherited a better defense than Harbaugh did period end of sentence. What he chose to do w/ it is the real story.

I'm going from a personnel perspective, not "stats", . Their secondary was complete ass, but yet they were absolutely dominant against the run in 2009 and 2010. The latter signifies that their front 7 was well off enough to pull that off. What put the 49ers over the top is the marked improvement in their pass defense, which the additions of Rogers and Aldon Smith bolstered.

Our front 7 was reaching the point where it would soon be worthy of the label "unacceptable", with Rak and Fletch being the only exceptions. Our secondary was decent and better than the 49ers, but that's not saying much.

Had Shanahan decided to keep the 4-3, not only did he need to find a suitable coordinator(easier said than done), but he would have had to replenish the Dline* and fill the absolutely GAPING void that was at SOLB.

The reason our yardage total was so low was that Greg Blache is the ****ing Jacques Martin of defense. An excessively conservative scheme that can limit yards even with mediocre personnel because it is designed to give up long, time-consuming drives to limit points.


*Griff was injury vulnerable, Haynesworth was a lazy flake even under Blache, and weak sauce Kedric Golston was our "depth". Phillip Daniels, while effective, retired 2 years later. Andre Carter, while good, was certainly getting up their in age as well.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Our front 7 was reaching the point where it would soon be worthy of the label "unacceptable", with Rak and Fletch being the only exceptions. Our secondary was decent and better than the 49ers, but that's not saying much.

Had Shanahan decided to keep the 4-3, not only did he need to find a suitable coordinator(easier said than done), but he would have had to replenish the Dline* and fill the absolutely GAPING void that was at SOLB.

*Griff was injury vulnerable, Haynesworth was a lazy flake even under Blache, and weak sauce Kedric Golston was our "depth". Phillip Daniels, while effective, retired 2 years later. Andre Carter, while good, was certainly getting up their in age as well.

I am sure it could have been easier to find some band aids for the 4-3 defense, while the offense was being rebuilt; than completely overhauling the defense and putting band aids on a terrible offense.

That being said, this team still doesn't have a good NT. I like Cofield, but he's not making the impact that a true 3-4 NT should be making. He probably be better suited to play as a 3-4 DE.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I am sure it could have been easier to find some band aids for the 4-3 defense, while the offense was being rebuilt; than completely overhauling the defense and putting band aids on a terrible offense.

That being said, this team still doesn't have a good NT. I like Cofield, but he's not making the impact that a true 3-4 NT should be making. He probably be better suited to play as a 3-4 DE.

The constant addition of band aids would only mask the fact that the D was in desperate need of long-term impact players to maintain its previous level of [imo, overrated] play. And these bandaids themselves might have sucked enough to expose these flaws on the D anyway.

Transition or no transition, the D was most certainly not in a state that it could be neglected for a couple years and be expected to perform at a highly level. No SOLB, aging line, suspect FS, okay OLB.

Not only that, we were not in good position to draft offensive players. 2010's 2nd round had very few offensive players taken during that round. Had we kept that pick, the pick ought to have went to a defensive player, i.e Lamarr Houston or Nate Allen.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The constant addition of band aids would only mask the fact that the D was in desperate need of long-term impact players to maintain its previous level of [imo, overrated] play. And these bandaids themselves might have sucked enough to expose these flaws on the D anyway.

Transition or no transition, the D was most certainly not in a state that it could be neglected for a couple years and be expected to perform at a highly level. No SOLB, aging line, suspect FS, okay OLB.

Not only that, we were not in good position to draft offensive players. 2010's 2nd round had very few offensive players taken during that round. Had we kept that pick, the pick ought to have went to a defensive player, i.e Lamarr Houston or Nate Allen.

Adding band aids to a terrible offense didn't help either, and Shanahan was brought in to fix the defense. Speaking of defense, with that 2nd rounder, MS could have picked up T. Cody and solve our NT hole for years to come (he is now the starting NT for the Ravens). And actually, he could have traded down to get him, and acquire more picks in the process.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Adding band aids to a terrible offense didn't help either, and Shanahan was brought in to fix the defense. Speaking of defense, with that 2nd rounder, MS could have picked up T. Cody and solve our NT hole for years to come (he is now the starting NT for the Ravens). And actually, he could have traded down to get him, and acquire more picks in the process.

I was thinking the same thing about Navarro Bowman instead of Cody. With Bowman instead of McIntosh/Perry Riley, we'd have something close to the league's best defense right now. Who knows what our scouting opinion was of him, but Riley's been worthless.

Or even Daryl Washington of Arizona. Last draft was a great year for 3-4 ILBs. And we got Perry Riley.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Adding band aids to a terrible offense didn't help either, and Shanahan was brought in to fix the defense. Speaking of defense, with that 2nd rounder, MS could have picked up T. Cody and solve our NT hole for years to come (he is now the starting NT for the Ravens). And actually, he could have traded down to get him, and acquire more picks in the process.

Shanahan was taken in to build a winner. His mistake in his first year was picking up a bunch of lemons(a used car with problems is defined as a lemon) and trying to build something with them.

His reputation was built on his stellar offenses, not his defensive decisions. In fact, even this year's defense was well beyond my expectations when he was first hired since the Broncos' D in 2008 was purely awful. He has done pretty well this season given his poor reputation on that side of the ball(now maybe Allen helped, but w/e). And I believe we are close to establishing something really good on D. We just need a NT and ILBs(we would have needed a DT and maybe 3 LBs if we were still running a 4-3 at this juncture).