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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Here's his coaching record against every team going into this year

http://redskins.studiotigaapps.net/m...ahan__mike.pdf

What a CROCK O' S...
If Cowher had not cashed his chips in early....Shanahan would be....toast.
Who the F.. is Curly Lambeau anyway....Right?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Phil Simms was actually a damn good QB. The WWE president was never a QB.

No one denies the defense that McMahon (the bears QB), Dilfer, or Johnson played with, they are some of the greatest defenses ever. The others are Joe Gibbs QB's, which Ive already stated is the greatest coach ever due to the fact that he could win without stud QB's. But winning without stud QB's is far and few between in the NFL, especially the current pass first NFL.

Although by saying that Belichick was the mastermind is to say that Parcells was a terrible coach, so yeah, cant say that I agree. I seriously doubt Parcells was just along for the Belichickian ride in NY. Something tells me Parcells was the main influence there.

Vince, Jim - whatever they were bith horrible quarterbacks. Lol.
Phil Simms - damn good? Ehhh
Here is a little internet info for Bucket and you - Bill Belichiks defensive gameplan against the Bills in that superbowl hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - yes he was the mastermind. Parcells most successful years throughout his career were when Belichik was with him. That is fact - not opinion. Also if you look back at teams that have won or made it to the superbowl (which in my mind just screams of a successful season) you will find that the number of teams that did not have stud qb's is not as few and far between. I have already mentioned several, and without the benefit of the internet I will throw Rex Grossman, Neil Odonnell and Matt Hasselback in that mix. Again that is just off the top of my head.


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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Vince, Jim - whatever they were bith horrible quarterbacks. Lol.
Phil Simms - damn good? Ehhh
Here is a little internet info for Bucket and you - Bill Belichiks defensive gameplan against the Bills in that superbowl hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - yes he was the mastermind. Parcells most successful years throughout his career were when Belichik was with him. That is fact - not opinion. Also if you look back at teams that have won or made it to the superbowl (which in my mind just screams of a successful season) you will find that the number of teams that did not have stud qb's is not as few and far between. I have already mentioned several, and without the benefit of the internet I will throw Rex Grossman, Neil Odonnell and Matt Hasselback in that mix. Again that is just off the top of my head.


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The whole Beilchick argument is pointless. We are not saying he is a terrible coach. We are saying he is a great coach, but that even a great coach needed Brady for his success as a head coach.

Stud QB or stud defense wins in this league. Im not in disagreement there, its just harder to keep a stud defense together than it is to sign a stud QB to a multiyear contract. Which is why most of those teams that relied on defense was good for a year or two then fell off.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Vince, Jim - whatever they were bith horrible quarterbacks. Lol.
Phil Simms - damn good? Ehhh
Here is a little internet info for Bucket and you - Bill Belichiks defensive gameplan against the Bills in that superbowl hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - yes he was the mastermind. Parcells most successful years throughout his career were when Belichik was with him. That is fact - not opinion. Also if you look back at teams that have won or made it to the superbowl (which in my mind just screams of a successful season) you will find that the number of teams that did not have stud qb's is not as few and far between. I have already mentioned several, and without the benefit of the internet I will throw Rex Grossman, Neil Odonnell and Matt Hasselback in that mix. Again that is just off the top of my head.


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so your making the case that bill b was a good defensive coordinator? that has nothing to do with anything. as a head coach without brady he was awful. there are tons of good D coordinators that failed or never become head coaches (like gregg williams, blache, etc) so that entire arguement/point is completely worthless to assessing him as a HEAD coach.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

You could look at it like that, and you could look at it like this.

-Stan Humphries
-Rich Gannon
-Drew Bledsoe
-Chris Chandler
-Neil O'Donnell
-Steve McNair
- Trent Dilfer
- Rex Grossman
- Kerry Collins
- Brad Johnson
- Jake Delhomme
- Donovan McNabb
- Matt Hasselback
- Jeff Hostetler
- Mark Rypien
- Jim Kelly
- Doug Williams
- Tony Eason
- Jim Mcmahon
- Joe Theismann
- David Woodley
- Boomer Esiason
- Ken Anderson


Since 1981, All these quarterbacks either got to a Super Bowl or WON a super bowl. In my opinion, not many of these guys are a "world beater" type quarterback, every one of them successful, no doubt. Many of the QB's listed had great coaches, many didn't. Shanahan himself has coached two of the QB's on this list, but not during their Super bowl appearances of course. Point is, to be considered great, there are plenty of opportunities to get to the big game, especially if you have been coaching since 1987 in a head coaching capacity. Plenty of opportunities to make yourself stand out from the crowd. I think its quite telling, that.......

- during 4 years with Elway, 3 playoff appearances and 2 superbowl wins. 7 playoff wins.

Now Fast forward to October 2012, and look back.

- In the cumulative years without Elway, 15 1/2 seasons in a head coaching capacity (entire career), he has a total of ONE (1) playoff victory


I was excited like most when he took the job over from horny zorny. I mean, Mike Shanahan replacing Jim Zorn? YES PLEASE!!!!!!! But now that I take some time to step back, and look at what he has done over his career, and what he has done here, I'm sorry. I think this MF'er stinks. I also think that for a forward looking program with a huge star in the making, I really hope that Dan Snyder is already searching for his replacement. I don't know if he can find one, I sure hope so. Mike Shanahan is just way overrated. Again, this is just my opinion. Maybe my time at Fort Carson in Colorado Springs has swayed my opinion a bit, because during my time there from 2001 - 2009, all I heard on AM sports radio is hate for this guy, and the oh so frequent rant on how he should have been fired long ago. Like I said, I think that the fans in Denver had a dirty little secret on Shanahan.

The secret is that he is not that good.



(Thanks for listening to my rant)

Thanks for the Chris Chandler - couldnt remember his damn name but i wanted to put him on my list of non- world beater qb's.

Edit: jim kelly should not be on this list imo.
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[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Thanks for the Chris Chandler - couldnt remember his damn name but i wanted to put him on my list of non- world beater qb's.

Edit: jim kelly should not be on this list imo.
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I was thinking of leaving him and Boomer off. But I don't think they are at the end of the day, in elite category. Clutch, yes. Carry the team on your back? Check. But, in the position of building a new team from scratch with every historical NFL player available, I would pick probably 35 other QB's in the league before I even began to ponder either of them.

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

The whole Beilchick argument is pointless. We are not saying he is a terrible coach. We are saying he is a great coach, but that even a great coach needed Brady for his success as a head coach.

Stud QB or stud defense wins in this league. Im not in disagreement there, its just harder to keep a stud defense together than it is to sign a stud QB to a multiyear contract. Which is why most of those teams that relied on defense was good for a year or two then fell off.

You are overlooking Belichiks defensive genius though by saying he never did it elsewhere. He had success. Also the majority of his head coaching career has been with the Pats and the one year he didnt have Brady he won 11 games. The fact that he didnt make the playoffs is a fluke. How often does that happen? Also and I could be wrong but I believe Belichik had total control the year they drafted Brady - so he deserves credit for that.


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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You are overlooking Belichiks defensive genius though by saying he never did it elsewhere. He had success. Also the majority of his head coaching career has been with the Pats and the one year he didnt have Brady he won 11 games. The fact that he didnt make the playoffs is a fluke. How often does that happen? Also and I could be wrong but I believe Belichik had total control the year they drafted Brady - so he deserves credit for that.


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Ask Steve Young about Shanny, its not like Shanny was an accountant that all of a sudden was given a HC job. To use other peoples asst coaching successes and conveniently forgetting about others doesnt seem genuine to me. Shanny was given a lot of credit during his days as the OC on Seiferts staff with the 49ers, and they won a SB.

As for drafting Brady, last I checked RG3 was drafted by Shanny, but for the sake of this argument, lets make sure we dont mention that.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You are overlooking Belichiks defensive genius though by saying he never did it elsewhere. He had success. Also the majority of his head coaching career has been with the Pats and the one year he didnt have Brady he won 11 games. The fact that he didnt make the playoffs is a fluke. How often does that happen? Also and I could be wrong but I believe Belichik had total control the year they drafted Brady - so he deserves credit for that.


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I believe, and I might be wrong, but Kraft once said that Bellicheat did not have admin or personnel control until after 2001. I think Pete Carrolls scouting team did most of the work on the 2000 draft prior to him getting canned for Belicheck (Bobby Greer I think was his name, and I do know that the patriots scouting team (Greer) are the only people to talk to Bradys college coach prior to the draft about drafting him. Brady was not Bellicheks pick, but he wasn't opposed to the proposition of taking a chance on him in the 6th. He gets alot of the credit for alot of homework that was done under Carrolls watch.

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I was thinking of leaving him and Boomer off. But I don't think they are at the end of the day, in elite category. Clutch, yes. Carry the team on your back? Check. But, in the position of building a new team from scratch with every historical NFL player available, I would pick probably 35 other QB's in the league before I even began to ponder either of them.

Agreed but Chandler and the rest of them wouldnt be in my top 200. Big difference. Plus I went to the U so Kelly is off the list! Lol


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[SmootSmack]

We should return this thread to Cooley talk

[skinsfaninok]

Why isn't the last like 10 pages in a shanny thread?

[Mechanix544]

So, how about that Cooley, wanting beer in his contract.......................................... ....

(His arms looked a little chunkier than usual to me in the pics I saw of hiim at Redskins park.............)

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

So, how about that Cooley, wanting beer in his contract.......................................... ....

(His arms looked a little chunkier than usual to me in the pics I saw of hiim at Redskins park.............)

I dont even want to hear what Davis will be asking for after the season.

If Davis fires his agent and hires Ricky Williams as a new agent, we might want to look at resigning Cooley instead.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I dont even want to hear what Davis will be asking for after the season.

If Davis fires his agent and hires Ricky Williams as a new agent, we might want to look at resigning Cooley instead.

If Ricky Williams was his agent he'd probably advise him to take a year off to go smoke weed and enlighten himself, and then come back when he's "ready."

I doubt Davis will be asking for a big money deal after this season.