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Originally Posted by Skinzman

Phil Simms was actually a damn good QB. The WWE president was never a QB.

No one denies the defense that McMahon (the bears QB), Dilfer, or Johnson played with, they are some of the greatest defenses ever. The others are Joe Gibbs QB's, which Ive already stated is the greatest coach ever due to the fact that he could win without stud QB's. But winning without stud QB's is far and few between in the NFL, especially the current pass first NFL.

Although by saying that Belichick was the mastermind is to say that Parcells was a terrible coach, so yeah, cant say that I agree. I seriously doubt Parcells was just along for the Belichickian ride in NY. Something tells me Parcells was the main influence there.

Vince, Jim - whatever they were bith horrible quarterbacks. Lol.
Phil Simms - damn good? Ehhh
Here is a little internet info for Bucket and you - Bill Belichiks defensive gameplan against the Bills in that superbowl hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - yes he was the mastermind. Parcells most successful years throughout his career were when Belichik was with him. That is fact - not opinion. Also if you look back at teams that have won or made it to the superbowl (which in my mind just screams of a successful season) you will find that the number of teams that did not have stud qb's is not as few and far between. I have already mentioned several, and without the benefit of the internet I will throw Rex Grossman, Neil Odonnell and Matt Hasselback in that mix. Again that is just off the top of my head.


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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Vince, Jim - whatever they were bith horrible quarterbacks. Lol.
Phil Simms - damn good? Ehhh
Here is a little internet info for Bucket and you - Bill Belichiks defensive gameplan against the Bills in that superbowl hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - yes he was the mastermind. Parcells most successful years throughout his career were when Belichik was with him. That is fact - not opinion. Also if you look back at teams that have won or made it to the superbowl (which in my mind just screams of a successful season) you will find that the number of teams that did not have stud qb's is not as few and far between. I have already mentioned several, and without the benefit of the internet I will throw Rex Grossman, Neil Odonnell and Matt Hasselback in that mix. Again that is just off the top of my head.


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The whole Beilchick argument is pointless. We are not saying he is a terrible coach. We are saying he is a great coach, but that even a great coach needed Brady for his success as a head coach.

Stud QB or stud defense wins in this league. Im not in disagreement there, its just harder to keep a stud defense together than it is to sign a stud QB to a multiyear contract. Which is why most of those teams that relied on defense was good for a year or two then fell off.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Vince, Jim - whatever they were bith horrible quarterbacks. Lol.
Phil Simms - damn good? Ehhh
Here is a little internet info for Bucket and you - Bill Belichiks defensive gameplan against the Bills in that superbowl hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - yes he was the mastermind. Parcells most successful years throughout his career were when Belichik was with him. That is fact - not opinion. Also if you look back at teams that have won or made it to the superbowl (which in my mind just screams of a successful season) you will find that the number of teams that did not have stud qb's is not as few and far between. I have already mentioned several, and without the benefit of the internet I will throw Rex Grossman, Neil Odonnell and Matt Hasselback in that mix. Again that is just off the top of my head.


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so your making the case that bill b was a good defensive coordinator? that has nothing to do with anything. as a head coach without brady he was awful. there are tons of good D coordinators that failed or never become head coaches (like gregg williams, blache, etc) so that entire arguement/point is completely worthless to assessing him as a HEAD coach.