What's your take on our coaching?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Or is it Mike, Kyle and Bruce playing GM? Let me ask it another way: how many GM's would go into the season w/ Rex and John Beck as the only QBs on the roster?

Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.

[pg86]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.

Every time we ask that Mike basically dusts off his superbowl rings

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?

Out of those 5 games Grossman has played 5 maybe 6 good quarters of football. I think with Armstrong out and our lack of deep threat our offense has been getting exploited a bit, but this team right now is built to stay in football games and keep them close. It's been like that every game this season, and will continue to be but it doesn't exclude the fact that we wont win some/most of them.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "experiment fail". I saw a quarterback competition in the off season and Rex won that competition, but as many Redskin fans knew... This wasn't the last we would see of John Beck this year and I was one of them.

I think one of our main weaknesses that are being exploited right now is our ability to throw the football when teams stack the box against us, and turning the ball over. I remember watching the coaching show last week, and Mike Shanahan brought up a great point. Great teams will be in the playoffs with a +5-+10 turnover ratio. It's hard to be critical against our run defense today when the Eagles have been running all over everyone. MCcoy is one of the top 5 running backs in the league right now, and when you add in the best running QB of all time. They are going to move the football...

Only thing that blew up today was our lack of taking care of the football, and not being able to score on our opponents side of the field like we haven't been able to since I can remember. Still only losing by 7 may I remind you. Also, Redskins Nations fans ideas about how they think the team should be run, or what they know that the highly paid NFL coaches don't. If that was the case then half of our people here would be on the field with the headset right now.

The Eagles exploited Rex's lack of making a lot of throws/reads today. They took away his over the middle cushion and under route throws and it showed today.

-Missing two offensive lineman
-Missing your deep threat at WR
-Missing your starting RB
-Turn the ball over 4 times
-Make crucial penalties on 3rd and long, and 1st down
-Orakpo and Kerrigan's discipline or lack there of on defense

You're not going to win a lot of games this way. Shoot, I would go and say you most likely wont win against ANY team in the NFL playing this way.

So in my eyes, the fail today was the Redskins. Was their some coaching mistakes? Sure, there was on both sides of the football just like in almost every football game. To jump off the bridge and just call the Redskins a below .500 team when we are sitting a 3-2 is an opinionated statement because we have no idea what the limitations of this team are.

My opinion is they are a above .500 football team

[That Guy]

look, we came into the season knowing we didn't have a QB worth a hill of beans and the OL was suspect (with absolute trash for depth), so it's not really surprising that our guys aren't playing like aaron rodgers.

I do think that running 14 times into a terrible run D is a playcalling issue, or a scheme one, and I'm not really sure what the D fixed at half time, but with 2 weeks to prepare, we shouldn't have given up 20 points before figuring out how to stop them. Our offense can't score that much, and I know that's unfair to the D, but that side of the ball is built better and they've invested more there. besides suspect CBs, it's solid, though we were lacking in pressure again for parts of this game.

anyways, I'm not really all that bummed about the lose, but about the embarrassing play that got us there. 4 INTS, we beat ourselves.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.

What are you talking about? Just because Shanahan works in DC doesn't mean he works for the government.

[SmootSmack]

From what I gathered that delay of game was more so a miscommunication between MS and the referees on getting the time out called.

And I'm not sure I'd gather from that one incident that there isn't camaraderie on this offense. I would think that the offseason workouts say otherwise.

I also believe, that the lockout and who was drafted ahead of us played key roles in affecting our QB plans. We do need a QB of the future, I absolutely agree. But unfortunately, that's not all we needed. We have added several key pieces. And I know after a loss like this, we all want to talk about how we have failed mightily and the rest of the season is doomed etc. If fans want to think that, fine, our feelings have no affect. But we're screwed if the actual team starts to believe it.

[skinsfaninok]

Skins added talent all around and just hoped Rex wouldn't f up but I think beck will be the leagues surprise this yr

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Well mike came into a cluster **** of a team that went 4-12 let's b real here.. Hes done a very good job of drafting and has the team competitive. I still say this team wins 8/9 games and that's pretty good IMO

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.

Weren't we all just talking about how Mike is building something great here? Funny how people just go nuts after a tough loss when we lost 2 of our starting left side of the offensive line, tough loss to a division rival where records dont mean shit. So damn fickel around here.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by irish

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

Exactly . We need better paly at QB , a WR that can get deep and also make " YAC " on offense . Defense , either 1 more big guy up front ( Maybe J. Jenkins ) , and a big down hill ILB next to Fletch . Two years ago , down 20-0 , we would have lost 41- 6 . We have F/A and nine draft pick ( plus a Comp pick for C. Rogers , I think ) . If Beck plays much better than REX , we could still win the east ?

[Alvin Walton]

I don't trust Kyle Shanahan.
Our play calling is downright bizarre at times.
I'm fine with Mike Shanahan for now.

[irish]

Originally Posted by budw38

Exactly . We need better paly at QB , a WR that can get deep and also make " YAC " on offense . Defense , either 1 more big guy up front ( Maybe J. Jenkins ) , and a big down hill ILB next to Fletch . Two years ago , down 20-0 , we would have lost 41- 6 . We have F/A and nine draft pick ( plus a Comp pick for C. Rogers , I think ) . If Beck plays much better than REX , we could still win the east ?

That's a huge if with Beck. I think the whole team needs to play better for them to win the East.

[MTK]

My take on coaching is... we should be focusing on the talent instead.

People complained about this same crap last year when our main problem clearly was a lack of talent. We're improved from last year in that department but we're still in the process of rebuilding this team.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by irish

That's a huge if with Beck. I think the whole team needs to play better for them to win the East.

Yes , the team would have to play better , however with both dallas and Philly losing 3 and 4 games already , we would have a shot . Of course losing KL and TW is not going to help . I look at it this way , on OFF we are a good QB and WR away from being pretty good , defense , we have 4 guys that are either playing new postions ( Cofield / Kerrigan ) and guys with little starting experience ( Bowens /J. Wilson ) so we have done well on D .

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. BUT...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?