JLC vs. Cerrato takes a new twist?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

This could indeed all be BS, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true. Have you read JLC's blog? He doesn't just take swipes at the FO moves (which is fair), he seems to take swipes at the FO as individuals (which is a little unprofessional, even for a blog).

I read it all of the time. Our "GM" the last 7-8 years has been one person, Vinny Cerrato. Our owner is one person, Daniel Snyder. I've criticized JLC before for being a little negative. So, I'll call him out when neccessary, but for the most part he does a good job. It's hard when criticizing the FO not to criticize the person who runs it, VC.

Let's get some more information about this before we judge. I'm not going to just believe something VC sais, b/c I'm sure there's another side to this.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by redsk1

It's hard when criticizing the FO not to criticize the person who runs it, VC.

What I meant was that JLC takes petty swipes at VC and DS as people, not as GM and owner of the Redskins. Would you agree that JLC seems to really, really personally dislike VC and DS and he lets those feelings show in his blog?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I know nothing about the situation other than what I have read in this thread. Clearly there is a dislike between LaCanfora and the FO and it runs in both directions. Based on your description of events, though, isn't calling the NFL office to ask a question reporting? It actually strikes me as kind of an interesting question. Given the unprecedented nature of having an NFL executive do a radio show, could conversations he has on the air become tampering and how much latitude does he really have to discuss issues that a normal radio host could obviously cover with ease. Seems like a legitimate question to me. Because the way you put it, he was not calling to tell the NFL office there was tampering, he was asking whether they considered it tampering. Reporters do ask questions.

Could it have been a harmless question? Sure, but I doubt it. It sounds more like "tattling."

JLC was highly critical of VC's appearance on the show and I would bet money that JLC said to himself, "It would be great if VC's appearance on the show resulting in tampering penalties. I could then say, 'See how stupid this whole idea, and VC, are?'" IMO, JLC was once again making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I read it all of the time. Our "GM" the last 7-8 years has been one person, Vinny Cerrato. Our owner is one person, Daniel Snyder. I've criticized JLC before for being a little negative. So, I'll call him out when neccessary, but for the most part he does a good job. It's hard when criticizing the FO not to criticize the person who runs it, VC.

Let's get some more information about this before we judge. I'm not going to just believe something VC sais, b/c I'm sure there's another side to this.

Cerrato has NOT been our GM the last few years or ever. At no time did he have duties that could even be construed as GM duties. He directed our personel scouting both collegiate and pro. That's it. He didn't make deals, sign players, makes trades. Those moves were done by Joe Gibbs as president of football operations. This year is Vinny's first at calling the shots.

[4thGenRedskin21]

im pretty lost, I dont understand how this is tampering. Were we trying to get kiffinf to come to the redskins or something? if so, i could understand that charge, but if not, It makes no sense??? Are the redskins FO not allowed to talk to shefter about current events around the league?? if someone doesnt do something about all this bullshit now, the NFL will lose alot of fans, because people dont want to put up with this shit. WE just want to watch football

[4thGenRedskin21]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Cerrato has NOT been our GM the last few years or ever. At no time did he have duties that could even be construed as GM duties. He directed our personel scouting both collegiate and pro. That's it. He didn't make deals, sign players, makes trades. Those moves were done by Joe Gibbs as president of football operations. This year is Vinny's first at calling the shots.

Very true, but VC was always taken the brunt end of everything negative that happend with the redskins, when in turn, that was not his fault. Vinny has done a great job this year so far, and I think he has handled things great. I used to have a diff opinion about him until I actually started seeing all the good he does for this team and he actually cares, and he has done some reallll good things.; He did wonders for the 49ers back in the day. Vinny C is good for our organization, especially now that him and DS are growing and not just tossing money around at old,worn out vets. theres nothing wrong with spending big, just make sure you dont get worn out players who wont be able to play more than 1-2 years ( J. TAylor is different)

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Cerrato has NOT been our GM the last few years or ever. At no time did he have duties that could even be construed as GM duties. He directed our personel scouting both collegiate and pro. That's it. He didn't make deals, sign players, makes trades. Those moves were done by Joe Gibbs as president of football operations. This year is Vinny's first at calling the shots.

Official job names aside, VC has been here for 7-8 yrs has worked as Dan's #1 the whole time, and yes, i guess JG's was indeed President of Football Operations. VC has been an intrigal part of free agency, drafting, and how this football team operates. He was the main reason we signed Brandon LLoyd, he admitted as much. Not trying to nitpick but VC, names aside, has played a huge role in this teams overall FO dealings.

But, yes, technically this is VC's first year calling the shots.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What I meant was that JLC takes petty swipes at VC and DS as people, not as GM and owner of the Redskins. Would you agree that JLC seems to really, really personally dislike VC and DS and he lets those feelings show in his blog?

I would agree. He does issue praise from time to time as well.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could it have been a harmless question? Sure, but I doubt it. It sounds more like "tattling."

JLC was highly critical of VC's appearance on the show and I would bet money that JLC said to himself, "It would be great if VC's appearance on the show resulting in tampering penalties. I could then say, 'See how stupid this whole idea, and VC, are?'" IMO, JLC was once again making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If I'm correct they are talking about VC's new show called "IN THe Red Zone" which is on Mon. & Fri. for two hours. I also heard someone on one station talking about this issue and how easy the tampering rule could become an issue when talking about players from other teams.

[Dirtbag59]

Wow, this is pathetic. I think I've just lost all respect for JLC. The funny thing is I think that certain fractions of the Post are encouraging this type of behavior. Hopefully someone will get through to JLC and the others (Cindy Boren) and help them realize that this isn't objective reporting. In fact it's downright bias. The only one that doesn't seem to have an axe to grind is Reid and honestly it's about time for JLC to move on.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could it have been a harmless question? Sure, but I doubt it. It sounds more like "tattling."

JLC was highly critical of VC's appearance on the show and I would bet money that JLC said to himself, "It would be great if VC's appearance on the show resulting in tampering penalties. I could then say, 'See how stupid this whole idea, and VC, are?'" IMO, JLC was once again making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I do not care for the word 'tattling', but I agree that he was likely scrutinizing the VC show to a greater degree given the relationship. But I think it is an interesting question nonetheless. What are some possible implications of an NFL executive discussing NFL matters for four hours a week? It is a legitimate question for a reporter to ask. I think someone should ask the question. I also think that JLC has placed himself in a position where he can be attacked for asking what is a legitimate question. Carrying on sophmoric personal feuds in a public blog does not help his legitimacy as a reporter. I do agree with that.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Wow, this is pathetic. I think I've just lost all respect for JLC. The funny thing is I think that certain fractions of the Post are encouraging this type of behavior. Hopefully someone will get through to JLC and the others (Cindy Boren) and help them realize that this isn't objective reporting. In fact it's downright bias. The only one that doesn't seem to have an axe to grind is Reid and honestly it's about time for JLC to move on.

Well they now have 3 guys on the beat and my guess is they are preparing a succession. Reid has hit the beat for a while now and Svrgula(sp?) has just been added so maybe the Post is hedging their bets.

[skinsfan69]

Can someone tell me why JLC is calling the NFL in the first place. Is that his job? Is it his place to call the NFL? He'a a reporter. Right? His check isn't signed by the NFL. Why is he doing this? If this is true some needs to sit this guy down and remind him what his job is.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

JLC needs to go. Make him cover DC United or the Capitals. I think Barry Svrluga (sp) would be a huge upgrade as a beat writer. He did a great job when he covered the Nats.

I think JLC definitely has an axe to grind with our FO. He needs to get over it and just do his job. What douche....

Amen Brother. JLC has worn out his welcome on this beat. It's almost as if his highest aspiration is to personally knock Vinny down a peg. The guy needs to just shut the hell up, and do his job.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I do not care for the word 'tattling', but I agree that he was likely scrutinizing the VC show to a greater degree given the relationship. But I think it is an interesting question nonetheless. What are some possible implications of an NFL executive discussing NFL matters for four hours a week? It is a legitimate question for a reporter to ask. I think someone should ask the question. I also think that JLC has placed himself in a position where he can be attacked for asking what is a legitimate question. Carrying on sophmoric personal feuds in a public blog does not help his legitimacy as a reporter. I do agree with that.

If the question had been asked of the NFL in such a fashion - a generic, non-specific "what are the boundaries" type of inquiry - then I would have no problem with it (An example could even be used analogizing it to coaching shows - how much can a coach, on a local radio show, say about player controversies?) But apparently, the question was pointed and accusatory. As others have said, the manner in which the "investigation" was done appears to be a way to create a story for JLC rather than to determine how VC's may or may not be affected by the NFL's tampering rules.