Chase Young or Three First Round Picks?

[skinsfaninok]

Miami won't offer that much and they really shouldn't. Maybe 5,18 and a 3rd would do

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Miami won't offer that much and they really shouldn't. Maybe 5,18 and a 3rd would do

They shouldn't, but if they want an almost 100% guarantee they may need to move up.

I mean look how the Bears moved up one spot to get Trubisky, when they got him.

Until teams make their picks, there is always a risk that a team may move ahead of Miami to grab Tua (such as the Raiders).

[sdskinsfan2001]

Anything less than all 3 Dolphins 1st rounders or I don't even think about it.

[SunnySide]

Imagine the hype and trade value of the no. 2 overall if Tua didnt get hurt. I am tremendously happy with the way things currently stand w the no. 2 overall and a "generational" pass rusher sits at 2.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Imagine the hype and trade value of the no. 2 overall if Tua didnt get hurt. I am tremendously happy with the way things currently stand w the no. 2 overall and a "generational" pass rusher sits at 2.

If Tua was not hurt, we'd be talking about how much are people willing to move up to get Burrow.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by ruhskins

if tua was not hurt, we'd be talking about how much are people willing to move up to get burrow.

facts

[AnonEmouse]

I know it's all just speculation until draft day, but i can't see a big trade coming in our direction because nobody is that desperate for the #2 pick.

Cincy are taking Burrow; their one big need is a young franchise QB to replace Dalton. They can take Tua or Burrow, though with their immediate need they'll take Burrow. They have a need and no incentive to trade down.
We want Young right now or a boatload of picks. I just don't see a Herschel Walker type trade coming our way. Taking either QB (if Cincy did surprise everyone by drafting Young) doesn't make us immediately better because we have bigger needs, so we'd likely only trade if that happened and I don't see Cindy doing that. Barring a minor miracle we take Young.
Detroit are in prime trade position assuming the above. They don't need a new QB yet and have other needs. Okudah makes sense but if they move down a couple of slots they could still get him and/or have picks left over from a Miami trade to fill other needs too. And Patricia comes from the Belichick school so I can't see him getting anything other than value from his picks or any trade. Unless he learned absolutely nothing. 😁
Giants are a little intriguing as if Tua is still available they might trade down, but i suspect they just take BPA, which could be Simmons after a good combine.
If Miami haven't traded up at this point they likely have Tua land in their lap anyway and still have all those picks for other needs. I back this scenario because they are in a 2 yr rebuild and can let Tua come on while Fitzmagic finished his career off. They also have too many other needs to waste picks on a trade they likely don't need to make.
Raiders moving up? Nope, I can't see Gruden or Mayock doing that given that QB isn't their big need either. They were bitten by the Brown scenario so they are going to be a bit cautious this year; no big splash.
Nobody else really has the draft capital to move into the top 5, especially once Burrow, Tua and Young have gone taking away the motive. I can see Miami swapping picks with Detroit to guarantee Tua, but the other scenarios look unlikely.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I know it's all just speculation until draft day, but i can't see a big trade coming in our direction because nobody is that desperate for the #2 pick.

Cincy are taking Burrow; their one big need is a young franchise QB to replace Dalton. They can take Tua or Burrow, though with their immediate need they'll take Burrow. They have a need and no incentive to trade down.
We want Young right now or a boatload of picks. I just don't see a Herschel Walker type trade coming our way. Taking either QB (if Cincy did surprise everyone by drafting Young) doesn't make us immediately better because we have bigger needs, so we'd likely only trade if that happened and I don't see Cindy doing that. Barring a minor miracle we take Young.
Detroit are in prime trade position assuming the above. They don't need a new QB yet and have other needs. Okudah makes sense but if they move down a couple of slots they could still get him and/or have picks left over from a Miami trade to fill other needs too. And Patricia comes from the Belichick school so I can't see him getting anything other than value from his picks or any trade. Unless he learned absolutely nothing. 😁
Giants are a little intriguing as if Tua is still available they might trade down, but i suspect they just take BPA, which could be Simmons after a good combine.
If Miami haven't traded up at this point they likely have Tua land in their lap anyway and still have all those picks for other needs. I back this scenario because they are in a 2 yr rebuild and can let Tua come on while Fitzmagic finished his career off. They also have too many other needs to waste picks on a trade they likely don't need to make.
Raiders moving up? Nope, I can't see Gruden or Mayock doing that given that QB isn't their big need either. They were bitten by the Brown scenario so they are going to be a bit cautious this year; no big splash.
Nobody else really has the draft capital to move into the top 5, especially once Burrow, Tua and Young have gone taking away the motive. I can see Miami swapping picks with Detroit to guarantee Tua, but the other scenarios look unlikely.

I could see San Diego or Carolina trading up with either the Lions or the Giants. Neither of those teams has the draft capital to move up to #2, IMO, but I think one of them would definitely try to trade up to #3 or 4 to get in front of Miami. It would be risky for Miami to stand pat and hope Tua drops to them at #5, IMO.

Truth is, while #2 would guarantee Miami Tua (or Burrow), the cost in draft capital to get up to #2 is much, much higher than #3 or #4, since Young is clearly superior to the group of guys available at picks 3 thru 7. Detroit or New York could easily trade down to get an additional 2nd round pick and still draft the same player they were looking at with their original pick.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Number44

I could see San Diego or Carolina trading up with either the Lions or the Giants. Neither of those teams has the draft capital to move up to #2, IMO, but I think one of them would definitely try to trade up to #3 or 4 to get in front of Miami. It would be risky for Miami to stand pat and hope Tua drops to them at #5, IMO.

Truth is, while #2 would guarantee Miami Tua (or Burrow), the cost in draft capital to get up to #2 is much, much higher than #3 or #4, since Young is clearly superior to the group of guys available at picks 3 thru 7. Detroit or New York could easily trade down to get an additional 2nd round pick and still draft the same player they were looking at with their original pick.

LOL. I wonder how long I'm going to keep saying San Diego for the Chargers.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I know it's all just speculation until draft day, but i can't see a big trade coming in our direction because nobody is that desperate for the #2 pick.

Cincy are taking Burrow; their one big need is a young franchise QB to replace Dalton. They can take Tua or Burrow, though with their immediate need they'll take Burrow. They have a need and no incentive to trade down.
We want Young right now or a boatload of picks. I just don't see a Herschel Walker type trade coming our way. Taking either QB (if Cincy did surprise everyone by drafting Young) doesn't make us immediately better because we have bigger needs, so we'd likely only trade if that happened and I don't see Cindy doing that. Barring a minor miracle we take Young.
Detroit are in prime trade position assuming the above. They don't need a new QB yet and have other needs. Okudah makes sense but if they move down a couple of slots they could still get him and/or have picks left over from a Miami trade to fill other needs too. And Patricia comes from the Belichick school so I can't see him getting anything other than value from his picks or any trade. Unless he learned absolutely nothing. 😁
Giants are a little intriguing as if Tua is still available they might trade down, but i suspect they just take BPA, which could be Simmons after a good combine.
If Miami haven't traded up at this point they likely have Tua land in their lap anyway and still have all those picks for other needs. I back this scenario because they are in a 2 yr rebuild and can let Tua come on while Fitzmagic finished his career off. They also have too many other needs to waste picks on a trade they likely don't need to make.
Raiders moving up? Nope, I can't see Gruden or Mayock doing that given that QB isn't their big need either. They were bitten by the Brown scenario so they are going to be a bit cautious this year; no big splash.
Nobody else really has the draft capital to move into the top 5, especially once Burrow, Tua and Young have gone taking away the motive. I can see Miami swapping picks with Detroit to guarantee Tua, but the other scenarios look unlikely.

The Raiders are definitely in the QB market, since Gruden is not sold on Carr, and they have the ammo to move up. The only way I don't see them moving up for a QB is if they get a pricey free agent QB (i.e. Brady, Rivers, Teddy B.).

The Jags also have two first round picks and are in need of a QB. They may have even more ammo if they trade Yannick Ngakoue for a first rounder to another team.

Both the Raiders or the Jags could offer the Redskins their two first rounders and a 2021 first rounder (a total of three 1st round picks), among other picks to move ahead of Miami.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The Raiders are definitely in the QB market, since Gruden is not sold on Carr, and they have the ammo to move up. The only way I don't see them moving up for a QB is if they get a pricey free agent QB (i.e. Brady, Rivers, Teddy B.).

The Jags also have two first round picks and are in need of a QB. They may have even more ammo if they trade Yannick Ngakoue for a first rounder to another team.

Both the Raiders or the Jags could offer the Redskins their two first rounders and a 2021 first rounder (a total of three 1st round picks), among other picks to move ahead of Miami.

I forgot they both have the capital but I still believe they would trade with Detroit not us.

[SunnySide]

https://finheaven.com/threads/tua-ta...thread.358488/

^^^ 225 pages of dolphins fans wanting Tua and discussing trading up w us or Det. Pretty intelligent discussion, but perhaps a good bit undervaluing the trade ammo needed to move up.

That fanbase is ready to go all in for Tua. jerseys printed and ready for shipping.

[NYCskinfan82]

This is the way I see it. I would rather take the best player in the draft than trade down and then later watch that same best player in the draft prove he was the best for years.

[skinsfaninok]

Miami has a boatload of picks, if I was them I'd stay put take Simmons / BPA at #5 and then take Jordan Love at 18. Still get a promising QB prospect

[MTK]

Miami can sit tight at 5 and get Tua in all likelihood


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