Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Lotus

How has Gruden produced? What track record speaks for him?



I'm not saying he should be fired - such would disturb team continuity (again). But he has nothing on his record which screams "keep him," either.

So again-... If all the rumors are true and he wanted Mcoy playing and we were 5-5 rite now? Than what? Not saying mccoy would have won, not even saying he wanted him playing. But if he did than there is a possibility the results are different. Gotta give him atleast the benefit of doubt.

[VTSkins1961]

Tell that to the O-LINE

Originally Posted by Hijinx

You are talking about 1 game. Lets take RG3's last 16 not counting the Jax game he get hurt 5 mins in. In 16 games 18 TDs, 15 INT, and 7 fumbles, 53 sacks taken. Twenty two turnovers just by himself in 16 games, thats elite. Now before you even start making excuses about the O-line and those sacks, a ton of them are on him. He holds the ball WAY, WAY, WAY, too long, everyone says so. Now the O-line is leaky for sure, but it is no way, sooo much worse than every other O-line that he should be sacked this many times. In fact this season RG3 has been sacked 13% of his pass attempts, Colt 10%, and Kirk only 3.8%. Last year RG3 sacked on 7.7% of attempts, Kirk 3.1.

You want to use the D as an excuse? Know who had the 9th most punts in 2013? Rocca. Know why so many? Because RG3 can not do crap on 3rd down, except get sacked. Want to know why he wasn't 1st in number of punts? Because RG3's 22 turnovers, but I guess that is on the D. Crappy Offensive play puts pressure on the D. Not the other way around.

Or you can use RG3 excuse #28302 , it is the coaching staff. Once he gets the right coaches who knows how to coach he will be great. Go check how well the Browns are doing with Kyle Shanahan, without a decent WR, and Hoyer as their QB.

Or you can use RG3 excuse #63840 wellll hes hurt as soon as he gets healthy, we will see this great elite QB. Ya but he is brittle a hell, he missed time in 2 out of 4 college seasons and 3 out of 3 NFL seasons. So keep hoping that he will ever last a whole season.

Or you can use RG3 excuse #34405: his teammates don't play hard enough. He tried to use that one yesterday when he threw his teammates under the bus. Best throw of the day, BTW.

Or you use RG3 excuse #19083 : "The Haters" whatever the Hell that is

At some point you have to stop making excuses and either produce or get lost.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

How has Gruden produced? What track record speaks for him?

I'm not saying he should be fired - such would disturb team continuity (again). But he has nothing on his record which screams "keep him," either.

Since when does track record matter for this organization? Gibbs, Marty, and Shanny all had excellent track records, they are gone. Spurrier had a great track record in college and he's go too.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

Since when does track record matter for this organization? Gibbs, Marty, and Shanny all had excellent track records, they are gone. Spurrier had a great track record in college and he's go too.

Shanny had a good track record about 20 years ago. He was given ample opportunity here.
Spurrier?!? You cannot be serious when you imply he was let go prematurely.

[Alvin Walton]

Spurrier was an effing joke.
Snyder does not know how to find a good coach.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Shanny had a good track record about 20 years ago. He was given ample opportunity here.
Spurrier?!? You cannot be serious when you imply he was let go prematurely.

People forget how in demand Spurrier was, several teams made a hard push for him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Shanny had a good track record about 20 years ago. He was given ample opportunity here.
Spurrier?!? You cannot be serious when you imply he was let go prematurely.

I understood the original post to say that since JG did not have a track record to point to why should he be given any benefit of the doubt. I pointed out that track records of success dont matter to the Skins when it comes to letting a coach go.

Spurrier was a joke but at the time he was the new hot-shot who DS wanted really bad. I think a big reason Marty was canned after 1 year was because Spurrier became available. IMO Marty had this organization about 1 or 2 years from being turned around and then he's gone for Spurrier and unfortunately the rest is history.

I think in 10 years Skins fans will look back and say the 2 biggest coaching mistakes were getting rid of Marty too soon and getting rid of Shanny too soon.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People forget how in demand Spurrier was, several teams made a hard push for him.

Maybe, and you are correct I do not remember. However after about a 1/2 of a quarter of the run n gun the writing was on the wall and I dont remember anybody thinking we should keep him around.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Maybe, and you are correct I do not remember. However after about a 1/2 of a quarter of the run n gun the writing was on the wall and I dont remember anybody thinking we should keep him around.

Baloney! His system looked great in preseason and after they won their first regular season game I remember the Skins announcers saying that now that we know Spurrier's system works in the regular season how will it work in the playoffs.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

I understood the original post to say that since JG did not have a track record to point to why should he be given any benefit of the doubt. I pointed out that track records of success dont matter to the Skins when it comes to letting a coach go.



Spurrier was a joke but at the time he was the new hot-shot who DS wanted really bad. I think a big reason Marty was canned after 1 year was because Spurrier became available. IMO Marty had this organization about 1 or 2 years from being turned around and then he's gone for Spurrier and unfortunately the rest is history.



I think in 10 years Skins fans will look back and say the 2 biggest coaching mistakes were getting rid of Marty too soon and getting rid of Shanny too soon.

I agree with the premise, but Spurrier was such a joke when he got here that I dont believe we could have kept him. Nor do i believe anybody expected us to. He was clearly a college coach that couldnt bring his schtick to the NFL. I completely 1000 % agree about Marty and completely 1000% disagree about Shanny. He clearly was not making progress and it was time for him to go.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I agree with the premise, but Spurrier was such a joke when he got here that I dont believe we could have kept him. Nor do i believe anybody expected us to. He was clearly a college coach that couldnt bring his schtick to the NFL. I completely 1000 % agree about Marty and completely 1000% disagree about Shanny. He clearly was not making progress and it was time for him to go.

surprised me because spurrier did well at duke, florida, and the usfl.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

Baloney! His system looked great in preseason and after they won their first regular season game I remember the Skins announcers saying that now that we know Spurrier's system works in the regular season how will it work in the playoffs.

I was being sarcastic about 1/2 a quarter, and i cannot believe u are referencing the Osaka Bowl as to why Spurrier was let go to early. Spurrier rode out the season, and he was clearly not cut out to be an NFL coach.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I agree with the premise, but Spurrier was such a joke when he got here that I dont believe we could have kept him. Nor do i believe anybody expected us to. He was clearly a college coach that couldnt bring his schtick to the NFL. I completely 1000 % agree about Marty and completely 1000% disagree about Shanny. He clearly was not making progress and it was time for him to go.

Spurrier wasnt a joke when he got here but it soon became obvious that his schtick just wasnt going to work in the pros. He had to go.

Shanny made a lot of progress especially in 2012. Then his star QB got hurt and also decided he wasnt "all in" on Shanny's system that had made him so successful in 2012. If RG and the organization had gone "all in" with Shanny I am very sure things wouldnt be as bad as they are now.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by irish

Spurrier wasnt a joke when he got here but it soon became obvious that his schtick just wasnt going to work in the pros. He had to go.

Shanny made a lot of progress especially in 2012. Then his star QB got hurt and also decided he wasnt "all in" on Shanny's system that had made him so successful in 2012. If RG and the organization had gone "all in" with Shanny I am very sure things wouldnt be as bad as they are now.

Shanny dug his own grave. He wasn't successful because he just wasn't a good coach anymore.

Shanny is gone so need to speak about him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

surprised me because spurrier did well at duke, florida, and the usfl.

It surprised everyone. IMO, the top management of this organization isnt conducive to anyone having long term success.