The Vick Factor

[Ruhskins]

Pretty good article by JLC on Vick. Honestly, I'm amazed at how much this guy (Vick) is being discussed by anyone. Even Redskins-hater Mike Florio is not kicking up much dust about this.

Redskins Insider - Why a Vick/Skins Marriage Seems Unlikely

[an23dy]

I want to see him go to the Raiders. Then they'll have the fastest players at every skill position. With McFadden, DHB, and Vick you could just stick all of em in the backfield and have em run in different directions and see who can catch em.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Pretty good article by JLC on Vick. Honestly, I'm amazed at how much this guy (Vick) is being discussed by anyone. Even Redskins-hater Mike Florio is not kicking up much dust about this.

Redskins Insider - Why a Vick/Skins Marriage Seems Unlikely

If there's a name available, chances are the Skins are going to be mentioned. Just how it goes around here.

I agree with JLC, chances are pretty slim and really the move wouldn't make much sense.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The guy never learned to read a defense, his HS coach used under 10 plays, Stinespring at VT isn't the best OC in D-I, when Vick got to the NFL he never progressed

True, that's why i think his best passing days are ahead of him if he goes to a team with a veteran QB coach and veteran OC/playcaller that run a proven system.

BTW, you forgot to mention that he also rushed for an NFL record 1,000 yards.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If there's a name available, chances are the Skins are going to be mentioned. Just how it goes around here.

I agree with JLC, chances are pretty slim and really the move wouldn't make much sense.

How much you wanna bet there's a thread about Clarett to the Redskins this time next year?

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[fkcowboys]

I dont think he could fit on many teams as he is not a pocket passer and those legs of his wont be fast for very much longer. which means he'll just be another kordell stewart. Right? i think it would be good for the team and MV to aquire him though. why not whats there to really lose

[MTK]

JLC mentioned the possibility of the Dolphins and that make some sense. They use the wildcat a lot... though they did just draft Pat White so maybe it doesn't make much sense after all.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

JLC mentioned the possibility of the Dolphins and that make some sense. They use the wildcat a lot... though they did just draft Pat White so maybe it doesn't make much sense after all.

I have a feeling more and more teams will pick up some aspect of the wildcat, so there will be a chance for him somewhere. Even with no wildcat someone is gonna pick him up.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

First let me say, I'm not trying to defend the actions of the people below, but rather trying to point out the reasoning behind such outrage. There are lots of people that commit crimes in the NFL. Few I see as disgusting as what Michael Vick did to those poor animals.

The most common of the NFL arrests seem to come from alcohol, and the most serious offenses are DUIs. Don't get me wrong, driving under the influence is beyond stupid and no one, especially people such as star athletes should ever drive drunk. But, this is where we start looking at intent. These people are stupid, not malicious. Their intent is NOT to harm and maim other people, it's to get home. A bad decision for sure, and worthy of jail time, but in my mind the crime isn't as gross, but can definitely be more tragic.

Domestic disputes are also very high. Violence in the home is a scary thing. I would never advocate the abuse of a spouse. However, I also start to lose patience the longer a person stays in a situation like that. If the words "He hit me" and "again" are in the same sentence -- you've lost my sympathy. Wife beaters DO NOT CHANGE. If he hits you once, get the **** out. You're a human with control and the ability to leave a situation. Perhaps a shelter isn't the ideal situation, but it gives you ability to get back on your feet and away from the asshole.

The problem with dog fighting is this, the dogs have no say in the matter and Vick made a conscious decision to torture them. So not only do the animals not have the power to leave the situation, Vick also is killing them, brutally, on purpose. Are there worse things than dog fighting and the torture of animals? Absolutely, but that type of reasoning is dangerous. That's asking people to monopolize all their time, effort, and money on one issue. I am a huge animal lover, I currently have two cats, and my parents have 4 dogs. I just don't understand how someone could do that to something that gives you nothing but love, all the time.

Exactly.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 30gut

True, that's why i think his best passing days are ahead of him if he goes to a team with a veteran QB coach and veteran OC/playcaller that run a proven system.

BTW, you forgot to mention that he also rushed for an NFL record 1,000 yards.

If he was progressing his last 3 years wouldn't have been WORSE than his first 3.

He needed to run because that broad side of the barn just couldn't get open.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by John Denny

Who says he has to be a full-time starter? Aside from breaking dogs backs over his knee, Vick was born to run the Wildcat offense. He doesn't have to throw the ball! It's essentially a running play. Imagine Vick, Portis, and Betts in the backfield with Moss running downfield and whoever else emerges in the starting lineup. Vick doesn't have to throw but he does have the arm strength to get the ball to the target.
The wildcat offense keeps defenses honest by running backs (qb included) in several directions (right, left and up the middle) which ultimately opens up running lanes.
I'm a dog owner and I think what Vick did was brutal but I want the skins to win so sign the guy to the league minimum (2yrs), let him get his feet under him and cut him loose.
Anybody remember Portis and Samuels defending Vick during the vick circus? They had no problem with dog-fighting and nobody's dick got hard.

Wildcat = fad or situational trick play

If the Wildcat was more than that you'd see the Pats, Colts, Steelers, Giants, Saints, Cards, Cowboys, etc. running it. If you want a bunch of running backs going different directions, run the Wing-T or AF flexbone. If that type of offense would be successful in the NFL teams would run it. It isn't, teams don't.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Wildcat = fad or situational trick play

If the Wildcat was more than that you'd see the Pats, Colts, Steelers, Giants, Saints, Cards, Cowboys, etc. running it. If you want a bunch of running backs going different directions, run the Wing-T or AF flexbone. If that type of offense would be successful in the NFL teams would run it. It isn't, teams don't.

The NFL is a copy cat league and the wildcat was successful. The Dolphins had pretty good success as the only team running the wildcat last year so I look for more teams to use it this year.

Originally Posted by irish

The NFL is a copy cat league and the wildcat was successful. The Dolphins had pretty good success as the only team running the wildcat last year so I look for more teams to use it this year.

As the year went on the wildcat got shut down. Defenses will be even more ready for it this year.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

As the year went on the wildcat got shut down. Defenses will be even more ready for it this year.

You seem to be assuming that the wildcat will remain stagnant. I think the coaches will will change and evolve the wildcat in response to the defensive adjustments.

Originally Posted by irish

You seem to be assuming that the wildcat will remain stagnant. I think the coaches will will change and evolve the wildcat in response to the defensive adjustments.

What else can they do lol. Its a trick formation that is pretty simple to defend. As long as the defense doesnt freelance and set up something for the offense it should be shutdown everytime. Either the "Wildcat QB" takes the snap and runs, tosses the ball to another player, or he throws. So as long as the defense fills the running lanes and the DBs just stick with their man and arent faked out the success rate is very slim for the Wildcat.

Any time you take the QB out of a snap and let someone else handle the football its a good thing for the defense. The Wildcat and all its BS had its great moments like in the Dolphins/Pats game but as the season went on and teams gameplanned for it the Wildcat became a non-factor.