The Vick Factor

[Smooter]

Hopefully our offensive line will be improved this year or we'll need someone like Vick just to be able to run from pass rushers.

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

but the Falcons sucked with him at QB before his doggie trouble.

40-30-1 career record as QB of the Falcons. I dont want Vick either but the Falcons didnt suck with Vick as QB.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

wow, didn't think I would see so many excuses for this clown. Why should anyone have to be accountable for their actions. And that whole "did the time" shit, seriously, let's be realistic. If you're a felon, you're pretty much a piece of shit in society's eyes. Hope that doesn't break any hearts.

Yall need to put down the hate goggles and chill out for a second. Guess what some people really liked Vick, so of course there's gonna be some support but even then check the poll. The great majority don't want him on the team.

It's funny how fishing was brought up in this thread, just think about it for a sec.

[dmek25]

the reasons i don't want him have absolutely nothing to do with his involvement in dog fighting

[Ruhskins]

Vick wasn't known to be a passing QB like Brees/Manning/Favre etc., etc., and he was never expected to put up tons of yards through the air, so why would Snyder want him? Snyder wanted Cutler b/c he thought he could put up a lot of yards through the air, the same with Sanchez.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I thought it was a serious question. If it is a joke though it makes sense. The post just read as something serious where he really thought it was a probation violation. If he was joking he got me on that one.

Agreed. I thought the same thing. Got me too.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

40-30-1 career record as QB of the Falcons. I dont want Vick either but the Falcons didnt suck with Vick as QB.

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

It's like I've been saying. Once teams figured out he couldn't pass he became a lot less effective.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

His last season he was 204-388 for 2474 yds and a 20-13 TD-INT Ratio

He also rushed for 1039 yds and 2 TDs on only 123 carries.

He didnt suck. He was probably the main reason why they won 7 games with that half ass supporting cast around him.

Anyone who thinks Michael Vick sucked didnt watch him play. He wasnt a great passer but combined with his running ability he was a combo threat that won games.

[GusFrerotte]

He sucked in that at times he barely could get 100 yards passing in some games. What did the rest of my original post state? Only pure passing QB's win the SB. That isn't BS, that is a fact. Look at McNabb. He had one SB appearance, and that was because as time went by he finally became a really strong passer. Vick is fun to watch, but he won't get to a SB anytime soon. My guess is the Vikings will pick him up to challenge for the starting position. Bottom line is that he is too one dimensional to be highly valued in the NFL.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

His last season he was 204-388 for 2474 yds and a 20-13 TD-INT Ratio

52.6 Comp % sucks, his TD-INT ratio is nothing to write home about.

Anyone who thinks Michael Vick sucked didnt watch him play. He wasnt a great passer but combined with his running ability he was a combo threat that won games.

I guess that's why ATL finished the 2006 season 2-7.

2006 Ranks - Points - 25th, Sacks Allowed - 7th, Sack % - 2nd, Yds per Pass Attempt - 28th. ATL had 18 fumbles in 2006, 9 were by Vick.

Anyone who knows football and watched Vick, knows he struggled once DCs figured out he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean standing on the shore. The guy never learned to read a defense, his HS coach used under 10 plays, Stinespring at VT isn't the best OC in D-I, when Vick got to the NFL he never progressed. Once teams figured out to just keep him in the pocket, he was garbage. He's definitely nothing more than damaged goods now. Let the AFL or someone else deal with this idiot.

[DBUCHANON101]

^ Agreed

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

He sucked in that at times he barely could get 100 yards passing in some games. What did the rest of my original post state? Only pure passing QB's win the SB. That isn't BS, that is a fact. Look at McNabb. He had one SB appearance, and that was because as time went by he finally became a really strong passer. Vick is fun to watch, but he won't get to a SB anytime soon. My guess is the Vikings will pick him up to challenge for the starting position. Bottom line is that he is too one dimensional to be highly valued in the NFL.

Im not saying hes a great or even good passer. All im saying is while in Atlanta he went 40-30-1. His last year in the league he threw for 20 TDs and also had 1000 yards rushing. If you say Vick sucks as a passer thats one thing and going by his career completion % id agree with you. When you factor in the complete package he doesnt suck though as a player.

That said like I have posted earlier I wouldnt want Vick on the Skins. Mainly because Campbell has just as much ability as a passer. Im mainly banking on Campbell stepping up his game in a contract year.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

52.6 Comp % sucks, his TD-INT ratio is nothing to write home about.

I agree about the completion %. He isnt a good passer. When you factor in his TD-INT ratio with his 1000 yards on the ground he was a good overall player. All im saying is to blanket a statement that Vick sucks is misleading with the numbers he put up in his last year. If you honestly think Vick sucked in 2006 then I dont know what to say.

[John Denny]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

His last 2 years of playing he sucked, 15-16 record, QB rating under 76. Hasn't been in an NFL training program in over 2 years, let alone in a game.

Who says he has to be a full-time starter? Aside from breaking dogs backs over his knee, Vick was born to run the Wildcat offense. He doesn't have to throw the ball! It's essentially a running play. Imagine Vick, Portis, and Betts in the backfield with Moss running downfield and whoever else emerges in the starting lineup. Vick doesn't have to throw but he does have the arm strength to get the ball to the target.
The wildcat offense keeps defenses honest by running backs (qb included) in several directions (right, left and up the middle) which ultimately opens up running lanes.
I'm a dog owner and I think what Vick did was brutal but I want the skins to win so sign the guy to the league minimum (2yrs), let him get his feet under him and cut him loose.
Anybody remember Portis and Samuels defending Vick during the vick circus? They had no problem with dog-fighting and nobody's dick got hard.