RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

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RGIII "One thing I won’t do personally is quit, or play scared. I’ve never played scared in my life"

I don't want him to play scared or quit, but I do want him to play smarter (which I believe he was starting to do until he made that cut back in the Ravens game )

He did that same stupid shit in the Seahawks game. A play where he tried to squeeze another yard out on the sideline. If the kid doesn't learn, we can forget this ride and might as well prepare for the next QB. He simply will not last. Nobody wants him to play scared. We want him to play smart. Nobody is questioning Manning or Brady's toughness when they slide. Sad thing is, I still don't think the kid gets it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He did that same stupid shit in the Seahawks game. A play where he tried to squeeze another yard out on the sideline. If the kid doesn't learn, we can forget this ride and might as well prepare for the next QB. He simply will not last. Nobody wants him to play scared. We want him to play smart. Nobody is questioning Manning or Brady's toughness when they slide. Sad thing is, I still don't think the kid gets it.

You can still ball out and be smart. He knows that.

Man you sure love to beast mode everything.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You can still ball out and be smart. He knows that.

Man you sure love to beast mode everything.

For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.

At 22 I think he can be glad a man at this point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.

There are several things going on:
1) he never took hits like NFL hits in College. These guys are brutal. I think he learned that after the Atlanta game.
2) you can't win on every play. He hates that, it's why he cut back in the Ravens game, or hurdled over a guy in the 4th quarter of one game. That makes him who he is. I think he is learning this. You see him step out of bounds a lot better in the last few games. But the throw to Garcon, was a we need this now play.
3) He has to learn it's about the season/career, not a single play - I hope he learns this and understands it from this last surgery.

One thing is for sure, he is smart, and he will look at his performance and see if it needs to change. I just wonder how much you can change that internal nature that has driven him so long.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

There are several things going on:
1) he never took hits like NFL hits in College. These guys are brutal. I think he learned that after the Atlanta game.
2) you can't win on every play. He hates that, it's why he cut back in the Ravens game, or hurdled over a guy in the 4th quarter of one game. That makes him who he is. I think he is learning this. You see him step out of bounds a lot better in the last few games. But the throw to Garcon, was a we need this now play.
3) He has to learn it's about the season/career, not a single play - I hope he learns this and understands it from this last surgery.

One thing is for sure, he is smart, and he will look at his performance and see if it needs to change. I just wonder how much you can change that internal nature that has driven him so long.

I think this is the tricky part. His legs have been his security blanket his entire career. Can he ever realize how good his arm is when he knows a big play is a few steps that way?

I still think RG3 can be a very good QB without olympic quality speed. He can rely on speed to help him out of a collapsing pocket, but has to forget speed when the option of run or throw it away is what he has to choose from. If he doesnt learn that throwing it away is a good thing, then its going to be a tough road for him in the NFL.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I think this is the tricky part. His legs have been his security blanket his entire career. Can he ever realize how good his arm is when he knows a big play is a few steps that way?

In college, he threw for 78 TDs and only 17 INTs, 67.1% in basically 3 seasons. His senior year, 72.4% passing with 37 TDs and 6 INTs.

I think he realizes he can throw the ball. Those sounds like the stats of a pass-first QB to me too. Of course he did run for 33 more TDs, but he can succeed in the NFL even if he can't run at all.

Do you know he even punted 4 times for a 40-yard average with a long of 59 yards?

He caught 3 passes too.

He can do anything and everything.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

In college, he threw for 78 TDs and only 17 INTs, 67.1% in basically 3 seasons. His senior year, 72.4% passing with 37 TDs and 6 INTs.

I think he realizes he can throw the ball. Those sounds like the stats of a pass-first QB to me too. Of course he did run for 33 more TDs, but he can succeed in the NFL even if he can't run at all.

Do you know he even punted 4 times for a 40-yard average with a long of 59 yards?

He caught 3 passes too.

He can do anything and everything.

But what he ran in college was read the first guy, if not open then run. The times when he stood in the pocket were when teams made the effort to contain the pocket over applying a pash rush. Although he could still do read options against them.

Will RG3 ever learn to stand there when the first guy isnt open going through his progressions until he throws the ball away? Or will he always read until the rush gets close and start running?

I would rather RG3 throw it away instead of constantly trying to run when the pocket collapses. That doesnt mean he shouldnt extend a play if an opening is there. But he still needs to realize that he needs to throw the ball away if the receivers are still not open (Or quickly just grab 5 or 10 yards, which he was better at later in the season except one play... but thats all it takes). He knows what his legs are capable of on any given play. In college, thats fine. In the NFL, not so much.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.

I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.

I agree. He did play differently after getting a concussion. You saw him slide (sometimes head first) a lot more often even on option plays. Baltimore game he got hit from behind, trying to slide. It was unlucky.

Seattle you may have seen him take more chances, it is a playoff game.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.

Thank you!! i have been saying this over and over . . . seems nobody thinks RGIII learned anything from the Atlanta game because he got hurt in the Baltimore game . . . the way he got hurt against the ravens could just as easily have happened to a standard pocket passer as it did to him . . . i too have noticed that he slides earlier and heads out of bounds quicker . . . and love the big game go for it attitude which will be necessary at many points during his career (well hopefully we are in big situations, i believe we will be in many)

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's football, you play to win the game.

I feel like I heard this somewhere before.

The surgery went well, he'll come back strong. Feeling much more relieved today.

RGIII has heart, players like him don't pull themselves out of games, he was going to crawl back onto the field if the coaches didn't directly pull him out of the game. It wasn't like it was pre-season or even the regular season. It was the playoffs!

"But we're talking about playoffs man. What are we talking about? Playoffs? We're talking about playoffs, man. We're talking about playoffs. We're talking about playoffs. We aint talking about the regular season. We're talking about playoffs, man." - edited to apply to RGIII