Mara Karma

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

He knew that even after last year's results that his Giants weren't a good team. .

Yet he has the trophy and the ring to prove it was a good team, a Championship team.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yet he has the trophy and the ring to prove it was a good team, a Championship team.

Well enjoy it, it may be a loooooooong time before you see another...
HTTR!!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Noting someones Blackness isn't derogatory or inappropriate, unless you follow that with something derogatory or inappropriate. If anything the Jesus usage would be considered sacrilege to some haha.

Until we are one color it will be mentioned often.

On topic i have tons of Giants fans in my family and have really been enjoying the last couple weeks. How Mara was able to influence these penalties at all i just don't understand.

Noting someones whiteness would be considered inappropriate by most people, so doing the same for blackness is the same thing. On topic, Mara is Chairman of the NFL Management committee so, its part of his job in that role to influence pentalties. From our perspective, since were in the same division, he should have recused himself. However, given that the rest of the owners and the commish agreed to the penalties, i dont think that necessarily would have changed anything.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Well enjoy it, it may be a loooooooong time before you see another...
HTTR!!!

You are 125% right,one never knows how the season will go,kinda why I said at the begining of the year it's not a sprint but a marathon.I think 2 championships in 5 years has hurt to a point,draft picks,schedules, it's the way the league goes.I said this the other day,if you watch the NFC East the Skins are the best team in it right now!

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

On topic, Mara is Chairman of the NFL Management committee so, its part of his job in that role to influence pentalties. From our perspective, since were in the same division, he should have recused himself. However, given that the rest of the owners and the commish agreed to the penalties, i dont think that necessarily would have changed anything.

Mara is the head of the commitee there is nothing to say he "influence" anything.I fully understand your and Skin fans perspective on this whole matter but I disagree with him having to "recused" himself from the proceedings.If he does that then the Eagles owner must also do it,everyteam is represented .Were the penalties right or wrong I don't know,none of us do becuase we don't know what really happen.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He did'nt as many around the NFL know but I do understand the perception.

Mara did influence those penalties, like he influenced the "delay of game penalty" that everyone agrees should be overturned after the Lions debacle.

You should read these links.

WHY JOHN MARA CHEATED

“Ask John Mara,” the executive said.

Mara influencing other stuff too

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Mara did influence those penalties, like he influenced the "delay of game penalty" that everyone agrees should be overturned after the Lions debacle.

You should read these links.

WHY JOHN MARA CHEATED

“Ask John Mara,” the executive said.

Mara influencing other stuff too

1)Extrem Skins,really?
2)The opinion of a Washington Redskin executive
3)All owners have things that might best suit their team they want discussed.Jerry Jones and the Horse collar rule comes to mind.
Sorry, still no proof.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

1)Extrem Skins,really?
2)The opinion of a Washington Redskin executive
3)All owners have things that might best suit their team they want discussed.Jerry Jones and the Horse collar rule comes to mind.
Sorry, still no proof.

1. Read the links inside the extremeskins thread.
2. And Mara being the point man.
3. I thought you said John Mara didn't influence things like this?

There's plenty of proof of Mara's cheating, including the links I posted.

[44ever]

^ Don't matter. We have RG3

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by 44ever

^ Don't matter. We have RG3

I'm glad we didn't use the cap money Mara stole, on getting Finnegan. But some help in our secondary would be nice.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Mara is the head of the commitee there is nothing to say he "influence" anything.I fully understand your and Skin fans perspective on this whole matter but I disagree with him having to "recused" himself from the proceedings.If he does that then the Eagles owner must also do it,everyteam is represented .Were the penalties right or wrong I don't know,none of us do becuase we don't know what really happen.

Giantone, you seem like a bright guy and I for one enjoy your partipation on this forum.

However, to say that the chair of any committee doesn't have significant influence on that committee is just wrong. The chair sets the agenda, and will have a significant effect on the committee's decision-making process. As suggested earlier, Mara should have recused himself from this issue, and I, for one, believe the outcome would have been different without his evident bias against competitors in his division.

And I realize you, and Giants fans in general don't get our strong reaction to all of this. But then, we're the one's getting screwed here...

I've never agreed more with Daniel Snyder on any issue by the way. And that karma thing sucks, doesn't it?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Mara is the head of the commitee there is nothing to say he "influence" anything.I fully understand your and Skin fans perspective on this whole matter but I disagree with him having to "recused" himself from the proceedings.If he does that then the Eagles owner must also do it,everyteam is represented .Were the penalties right or wrong I don't know,none of us do becuase we don't know what really happen.

Its obvious that Mara was, at minimum, overly zealous, in trying to punish the skins for failing to participate in illegal collusion. Its fitting that Mara did everything he could to hurt the skins and cowboys and now his team probably wont make the playoffs.

[The Goat]

The Giants "SB hangover" is a much more likely explanation for this year's struggles than anything karma/Mara related. But I don't see anything indicating the team/roster is in decline. They're still competitive and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the playoffs again in the years ahead.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The Giants "SB hangover" is a much more likely explanation for this year's struggles than anything karma/Mara related. But I don't see anything indicating the team/roster is in decline. They're still competitive and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the playoffs again in the years ahead.

Goat, its going to be much more difficult for the Giants to make the playoffs with the Skins finally competing in the division. They have basically had the luxury of playing in a 3 team division for many years. Looks like that has changed and is the very reason why they are not already in a wild-card slot right now. HTTR!!!

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yet he has the trophy and the ring to prove it was a good team, a Championship team.

The Giants were more lucky than good. I'm not attempting to discredit their success, but they were a 7-7 team going into week 16. They soundly beat Atlanta, then traveled to GB the following week to face a Packers team that played poorly on offense and pitiful on defense. Then the second of the two Kyle Williams punt return fumbles in SF provided the NYG to enter into the SB to face a New England team with a last ranked defense that they came back to beat in the last moments of the game. Yeah, the Giants won SB 46 but then again a lucky team is not a good team. The 2011 NYG were the only Super Bowl champion in NFL history to be outscored by their opponents during the regular season. That's hardly a good team......