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Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we?
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Results of the '96 Australian Gun Laws (updated 2009) (GunsAndCrime.org) |
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1) The statistical model they used was flawed. 2) That source was created by people in the Australian gun lobby and hence had a predetermined outcome. Find out more here: http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback.pdf Or try this source from Harvard: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research...pring_2011.pdf All reputable research indicates that the Aussie get-tough-on-guns approach worked.
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Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we?
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Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths. It will take a more concerted effort by everyone to counter societal ills that foment this kind of act. |
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Any more discredited research that you guys would like to cite, since you are 0 for 2 so far in providing substantive research which supports your position?
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This isnt Australia. Different history, different culture, different etc etc etc
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We can learn from the Aussie experience and still create our own, uniquely American solution. The current American status quo clearly is not working.
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Actually they are all descendents of crimmnals.
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However it does make this comment you obviously overlooked: It does not appear that the Australian experience with gun buybacks is fully replicable in the United States. Levitt provides three reasons why gun buybacks in the United States have apparently been ineffective: (a) the buybacks are relatively small in scale (b) guns are surrendered voluntarily, and so are not like the ones used in crime; and (c) replacement guns are easy to obtain. Once again you try to bluster or bluff your way through an argument you can't validate. |
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The first link I posted does not mention Lee and Suardi but it directly rebuts points made in the Lee and Suardi paper. The second article actually critiques Lee and Suardi more deeply than you indicate. The second article, in nice academic prose, essentially calls Lee and Suardi fools. Thus both articles I posted refute Lee and Suardi. But you are right - the Harvard article I posted says that the Aussie experience is not fully replicable in the USA. I hinted at this in a post above. But the article does point to positive gains from the Aussie experience which we Americans can learn from and, if not "fully" replicate, still enact to our betterment. I'm not trying to "bluff" through anything here. I have provided sound research and a logical argument which can be used to help us find our way out of our current gun regulations, which clearly are not working.
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