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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Gruden already turned us down once. I doubt nothing has changed.

I would say RG3 has changed. I think Gruden might salivate at that potential. Also, Snyder has shown the ability (twice now) to stay behind the scenes when he trusts the GM/HC. He did it with Gibbs, and he has been doing it excellently with MS/BA. While I support keeping MS, I would be good with bringing in JG if the option opened up and MS/KS went away not griping about the Skins organization.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I would say RG3 has changed. I think Gruden might salivate at that potential. Also, Snyder has shown the ability (twice now) to stay behind the scenes when he trusts the GM/HC. He did it with Gibbs, and he has been doing it excellently with MS/BA. While I support keeping MS, I would be good with bringing in JG if the option opened up and MS/KS went away not griping about the Skins organization.

Not really, we would be in the same boat. Without McKay and Dungy's team, Gruden would have NEVER won shit. Even then, he didn't even get close to getting back to the SB. After that defense aged, his teams sucked and it was most definitely Gruden responsible for the personnel. People simply are propping Gruden to be something he really isn't. Being a great TV analyst doesn't make him a great personnel guy or coach.

Would rather have Jay Gruden.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not really, we would be in the same boat. Without McKay and Dungy's team, Gruden would have NEVER won shit. Even then, he didn't even get close to getting back to the SB. After that defense aged, his teams sucked and it was most definitely Gruden responsible for the personnel. People simply are propping Gruden to be something he really isn't. Being a great TV analyst doesn't make him a great personnel guy or coach.

Would rather have Jay Gruden.

Wouldn't object to Jay Gruden (didn't say I would). As for John, again without googling or wikipedia'ing that sh**, wasn't Tampa an issue because the owner was a tightwad? That's one reason I think the Skins would be appealing to him, finally have a qb, lt, and some youth, with an owner who will spend what is needed.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wouldn't object to Jay Gruden (didn't say I would). As for John, again without googling or wikipedia'ing that sh**, wasn't Tampa an issue because the owner was a tightwad? That's one reason I think the Skins would be appealing to him, finally have a qb, lt, and some youth, with an owner who will spend what is needed.

Plus his relationship with Bruce Allen.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Plus his relationship with Bruce Allen.

I could be wrong but didn't Tampa start to suck at the end of Gruden's & Allen's stanza? I didn't follw TB closley during that time put it all went into a downward spiral. I don't think recreating the Skins into Bucs 2.0 would be an improvement over what we are now.

Plus Gruden wants player personnell control. That's killing the team right now. A HC with GM powers. Which lead to his downfall at his previous stint. Sounds familiar?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Bishop Hammer

I could be wrong but didn't Tampa start to suck at the end of Gruden's & Allen's stanza? I didn't follw TB closley during that time put it all went into a downward spiral. I don't think recreating the Skins into Bucs 2.0 would be an improvement over what we are now.

Plus Gruden wants player personnell control. That's killing the team right now. A HC with GM powers. Which lead to his downfall at his previous stint. Sounds familiar?

Yes. They sucked bad. Gruden was primarily responsible for the personnel during his time there. That team he won with the Super Bowl was picked by Rich McKay and Tony Dungy. (mostly McKay)