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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Quite the point.

It kinda feels good to know that if there is one exception to the "being a great coach, you still can't do much without a stud QB" policy, its our own joe gibbs, who in his second term, equaled in three years the # of playoff wins that Shanahan had over a 12 season period after his stud QB retired. I think that I might go so far as to say that even if we go to the playoffs this year, Shanahan still has not impressed.

Might as well expand that out to be that if Shanny wins 5 SB's in a row, you wont be impressed. You dont like Shanny, so it will be all RG3 if we do.

With Elway, 3 straight years of deep playoff runs, 2 being super bowl victories.

The next 14 years = 1 playoff victory with no Elway or RG3

RG3's first year - Playoffs??????

See a "possible" prevailing theme here?

Yes, there is a prevailing theme. Stud QB's make a helluva difference. Does these even need to be explained?

If we do sneak into the playoffs, I still believe its due to RG3's will, and not Shanahans genius. I believe it would be in spite of Shanahan. But thats just MHO, and I will still root for our team.

LOVE YA JOE!!!!!!!!

Oh look, more of the same. Again, you guys keep wanting us to ignore that most of what are considered great coaches won with great QB's. Yet you refuse to "see a prevailing theme" yourself.

You dropped in an edit:

Even going farther, Shanahan sucked eggs with Los Angeles for 2 years. Guess what? Jay Shroeder was his QB, Bo Jackson was his RB. Still didn't sniff the playoffs his first two years. Then, for 4 straight years upon coming to the Broncos, he has wonderful success. Then Elway retires, and he is a below average coach, whom the fan base in Denver hated so much and thought he was so bad, they were calling for the guys head his last 4 years there. And this is the coach that won 2 straight super bowls for them........Maybe the Denver fan base knew a little secret that noone else knew. That their long time coach was propped up legacy wise and career wise by John Elway, and after him, a ridiculously weak AFC West (regular season champs, postseason chumps). = OVERRATED.

Are you actually calling Jay Schroeder a great QB? Ok you just lost all credibility. He was good for a year, then teams realized that all he could do was throw 50 yarders. He threw bullets for short passes and receivers always had trouble with them. Even McNabb could throw a screen, Schroeder could not. All he could do was chuck it deep down field. He was horrible as a QB, and once teams realized that you just drop 4 people 40 yards deep and use the other 7 to stop the run, Schroeder was never the same again. He had a tiny run where DC's didnt realize he couldnt throw anything except the bomb, a year later, Schroeder was done for in the NFL.

As to the Denver fan base being so intelligent. Werent they calling Tebow the next Elway? I thought so!! Tell me why im supposed to think that someone in Denver, other than Elway, has a clue about football. Btw, ask Elway about Shanny, the only guy in Denver with half a brain when it comes to football disagrees with your assessment. So if you choose to keep bringing them up, make sure you also claim that Tebow is the 2nd greatest QB ever behind Elway. Denver fans will.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Might as well expand that out to be that if Shanny wins 5 SB's in a row, you wont be impressed. You dont like Shanny, so it will be all RG3 if we do.



Yes, there is a prevailing theme. Stud QB's make a helluva difference. Does these even need to be explained?



Oh look, more of the same. Again, you guys keep wanting us to ignore that most of what are considered great coaches won with great QB's. Yet you refuse to "see a prevailing theme" yourself.

You could look at it like that, and you could look at it like this.

-Stan Humphries
-Rich Gannon
-Drew Bledsoe
-Chris Chandler
-Neil O'Donnell
-Steve McNair
- Trent Dilfer
- Rex Grossman
- Kerry Collins
- Brad Johnson
- Jake Delhomme
- Donovan McNabb
- Matt Hasselback
- Jeff Hostetler
- Mark Rypien
- Jim Kelly
- Doug Williams
- Tony Eason
- Jim Mcmahon
- Joe Theismann
- David Woodley
- Boomer Esiason
- Ken Anderson


Since 1981, All these quarterbacks either got to a Super Bowl or WON a super bowl. In my opinion, not many of these guys are a "world beater" type quarterback, every one of them successful, no doubt. Many of the QB's listed had great coaches, many didn't. Shanahan himself has coached two of the QB's on this list, but not during their Super bowl appearances of course. Point is, to be considered great, there are plenty of opportunities to get to the big game, especially if you have been coaching since 1987 in a head coaching capacity. Plenty of opportunities to make yourself stand out from the crowd. I think its quite telling, that.......

- during 4 years with Elway, 3 playoff appearances and 2 superbowl wins. 7 playoff wins.

Now Fast forward to October 2012, and look back.

- In the cumulative years without Elway, 15 1/2 seasons in a head coaching capacity (entire career), he has a total of ONE (1) playoff victory


I was excited like most when he took the job over from horny zorny. I mean, Mike Shanahan replacing Jim Zorn? YES PLEASE!!!!!!! But now that I take some time to step back, and look at what he has done over his career, and what he has done here, I'm sorry. I think this MF'er stinks. I also think that for a forward looking program with a huge star in the making, I really hope that Dan Snyder is already searching for his replacement. I don't know if he can find one, I sure hope so. Mike Shanahan is just way overrated. Again, this is just my opinion. Maybe my time at Fort Carson in Colorado Springs has swayed my opinion a bit, because during my time there from 2001 - 2009, all I heard on AM sports radio is hate for this guy, and the oh so frequent rant on how he should have been fired long ago. Like I said, I think that the fans in Denver had a dirty little secret on Shanahan.

The secret is that he is not that good.



(Thanks for listening to my rant)

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

You could look at it like that, and you could look at it like this.

- Trent Dilfer
- Brad Johnson
- Jeff Hostetler
- Mark Rypien
- Doug Williams
- Jim Mcmahon
- Joe Theismann

fixed it, here are the actual non world beating qb winners. it wasn't really about getting there. notice 3 are gibbs, 2 had insanely good defenses, and the last non world beating qb to win a super bowl did so over 10 years ago.

great qbs make all the difference.

that said, can you guys please stop trolling every single thread and wasting everyone's time. you don't like shanny, we get it, really, we do. unless you've got something new or worthwhile to add, please just stop. it's annoying.


as for cooley, welcome back.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

fixed it, here are the actual non world beating qb winners. it wasn't really about getting there. notice 3 are gibbs, 2 had insanely good defenses, and the last non world beating qb to win a super bowl did so over 10 years ago.

great qbs make all the difference.

that said, can you guys please stop trolling every single thread and wasting everyone's time. you don't like shanny, we get it, really, we do. unless you've got something new or worthwhile to add, please just stop. it's annoying.


as for cooley, welcome back.

Ben Roethlisberger has won a bunch of super bowls, but I think we have a better quarterback.