2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

You may want to read your own link, nothing in it shows Chinese support for Romney.

I put it up there so your buudy could read it,it shoots down everything he says.

[Giantone]

It's getting ugly ,Republicans are now turning on their own.


GOP reviews turning negative on Romney's campaign | Political Headlines | Comcast


Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who headed the Republican Party when it won control of Congress in the 1990s, said disapprovingly over the weekend that Romney's campaign has been focusing on polling, political process and campaign management. "It's about everything but the issues. It's about everything but Obama's policies and the failures of those policies," he said.
Matthew Dowd, who was a senior political adviser to President George W. Bush, said the Romney campaign was almost guilty of political malpractice over the summer and during the two political conventions. It "left the playing field totally to Barack Obama and the Obama campaign" and "`basically set the tone for the final 60 days of this campaign, which put them behind after the conventions," said Dowd, who worked for Democrats before signing on with Bush, a Republican

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

It's getting ugly ,Republicans are now turning on their own.


GOP reviews turning negative on Romney's campaign | Political Headlines | Comcast


Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who headed the Republican Party when it won control of Congress in the 1990s, said disapprovingly over the weekend that Romney's campaign has been focusing on polling, political process and campaign management. "It's about everything but the issues. It's about everything but Obama's policies and the failures of those policies," he said.
Matthew Dowd, who was a senior political adviser to President George W. Bush, said the Romney campaign was almost guilty of political malpractice over the summer and during the two political conventions. It "left the playing field totally to Barack Obama and the Obama campaign" and "`basically set the tone for the final 60 days of this campaign, which put them behind after the conventions," said Dowd, who worked for Democrats before signing on with Bush, a Republican

Thats now considered turning on someone. LMAO What he was saying is that they are failing to show how Obama has failed and need to spend more time turning Obama's record against him. That's actually called advise and some that Romney needs to take. Obama can't run on his record and they need to force him to defend his record every chance they get.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I put it up there so your buudy could read it,it shoots down everything he says.

I was talking about the Chinese Govt, not some random businessmen in Hong Kong. You never even touched on that so please do tell how you could of shot something down that you never even touched on.

Originally Posted by Giantone

First Jr you're kinda late to the party and I know a whle bunch of us don't want to re hash what was said "again" ...months ago,and yes I'm not a liberal ...go back,way back .

I made a comment about China. You came back with a Bain comment. If you dont want to discuss Bain, then dont bring it up. More importantly, dont bring it up then claim that I did. But if you want to bring up Bain again, I will discuss it.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sorry, you're way off the mark. I won't address most of your post, but I will say this -- when I say people died, I wasn't referring to military. Where in the hell did you get that? I'm talking about pre-civil rights activists and those who fought for the right to vote in the 50s and 60s.

You talked about people dying for our freedoms. My mistake to assume a liberal would be talking about the people that actually died for our freedoms, the military. I dont even know why I ever expect a liberal to respect our military. I keep making that mistake over and over again.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I was talking about the Chinese Govt, not some random businessmen in Hong Kong. You never even touched on that so please do tell how you could of shot something down that you never even touched on.



I made a comment about China. You came back with a Bain comment. If you dont want to discuss Bain, then dont bring it up. More importantly, dont bring it up then claim that I did. But if you want to bring up Bain again, I will discuss it.



You talked about people dying for our freedoms. My mistake to assume a liberal would be talking about the people that actually died for our freedoms, the military. I dont even know why I ever expect a liberal to respect our military. I keep making that mistake over and over again.

You seem to be carelessly reading and seeing what you want in my post. That, or you're being blatantly dishonest. The word "freedom" never appeared in my post and neither did the military's role in protecting said freedoms. In fact, you dragged the military into this. Not once did I make any inference to our men and women in uniform.

On top of your misguided response, you seem to equate being liberal with a disdain for our military. I'll just say this, we have liberals and conservatives who are members of this forum that have served proudly in our nation's armed forces. Our politics may differ, but we're all patriots nonetheless.

But let me clarify my original post. From 1955-1968, particularly in the segregated south, many civil rights activists were martyred as they petitioned gov't to grant them voting rights. The Women's Suffrage Movement in the late 19th century and early 20th century, which culminated in 1920 with the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment; "The United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen to be denied the right to vote based on sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920. "

So yes, I stand by my original post. Men and women have fought, suffered, and many have died for the right to vote in this country. I don't see what's controversial about that.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'll just say this, we have liberals and conservatives who are members of this forum that have served proudly in our nation's armed forces. Our politics may differ, but we're all patriots nonetheless.

Well said, couldn't agree with you more!

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You seem to be carelessly reading and seeing what you want in my post. That, or you're being blatantly dishonest. The word "freedom" never appeared in my post and neither did the military's role in protecting said freedoms. In fact, you dragged the military into this. Not once did I make any inference to our men and women in uniform.

On top of your misguided response, you seem to equate being liberal with a disdain for our military. I'll just say this, we have liberals and conservatives who are members of this forum that have served proudly in our nation's armed forces. Our politics may differ, but we're all patriots nonetheless.

But let me clarify my original post. From 1955-1968, particularly in the segregated south, many civil rights activists were martyred as they petitioned gov't to grant them voting rights. The Women's Suffrage Movement in the late 19th century and early 20th century, which culminated in 1920 with the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment; "The United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen to be denied the right to vote based on sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920. "

So yes, I stand by my original post. Men and women have fought, suffered, and many have died for the right to vote in this country. I don't see what's controversial about that.

You did mention freedoms of this country, you mentioned the right to vote, Thats a freedom we have in this country.

I will apologize for the comment but will not watch as as dems have gone out of their way to suppress military vote (as they have done in multiple elections, most recently a month or two ago in Ohio) then watch as they claim people have the right to vote. If that right is for people of this country, we should all include the military in that, dont you agree? After all, they have died to give and keep our freedoms. They deserve that vote.

You want to talk about the suppression of votes but will always forget about ones that are suppressed that dont go for your candidate, as evidenced by your failure to mention the military when you were on the subject.

If the conversation is vote suppression, then lets talk about all of it. Not just wanting ID's to be shown. So when you are talking about voter suppression, and seem to forget about our men and women in uniform, then I am going to say something. The reason I said something was because you brought up voter suppression and went out of your way to avoid the military, and even got mad when I brought them up. Thay have had their vote suppressed for a long time. My dad is a retired Colonel in the Air Force, I have seen that voter suppression first hand.

So shall we talk about all voter suppression, or are we going to keep avoiding the men and women who proudly have served this country while complaining about other votes? Thats what is so controversial about it.