2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Dirtbag59]

Honestly lately I've started to become disillusioned with Romney. I could look past a lot of things but the facts of the matter are as follows:

- Romney constantly talks about cutting spending yet he wants to raise defense spending to $2.1 trillion. On top of that senate Republicans say they would be in favor of raising taxes on small businesses in the case of Obama being reelected to save the DOD from defense cuts. Shows where their loyalties lie.

- The assault on Planned Parenthood which saves the country billions of dollars each year by providing contraception to women who can't afford it in hopes of lowering the amount of abortions is unacceptable. It's motivated by religous zealots that hope to tear down the walls of separation of their church and our state.

- Making more and more anti-abortion laws while taking away or voting against laws that protect women from rape.

- Defunding education in a nation that is falling further and further behind

Granted I knew that supporting Romney meant risking giving the GOP their way on social issues. However we are six weeks away from the election and Romney has failed to explain in detail most of his plans and the details he does reveal like increased defense spending are hypocritical. I hope I am wrong but right now its safe to say I'm disillusioned.

[NC_Skins]

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

LOL...sorry but this had to be bump.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Honestly lately I've started to become disillusioned with Romney. I could look past a lot of things but the facts of the matter are as follows:

- Romney constantly talks about cutting spending yet he wants to raise defense spending to $2.1 trillion. On top of that senate Republicans say they would be in favor of raising taxes on small businesses in the case of Obama being reelected to save the DOD from defense cuts. Shows where their loyalties lie.

- The assault on Planned Parenthood which saves the country billions of dollars each year by providing contraception to women who can't afford it in hopes of lowering the amount of abortions is unacceptable. It's motivated by religous zealots that hope to tear down the walls of separation of their church and our state.

- Making more and more anti-abortion laws while taking away or voting against laws that protect women from rape.

- Defunding education in a nation that is falling further and further behind

Granted I knew that supporting Romney meant risking giving the GOP their way on social issues. However we are six weeks away from the election and Romney has failed to explain in detail most of his plans and the details he does reveal like increased defense spending are hypocritical. I hope I am wrong but right now its safe to say I'm disillusioned.

Where are you getting your facts from MSNBC? Your points are just wrong about MR.

While he does support increasing defense spending its spread over 10 yrs and it does creat jobs.

Pland Parenthood only provides birth control for around 3 million women at tops and is the leader for abortions.

Mitt has said over and over he has no plans to change any thing as far as abortion laws. He has said it should be a stste issue not a federal issue.

What rape laws deos he support. LOL

He actual wants to increase education funding.

[Giantone]

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Pland Parenthood only provides birth control for around 3 million women at tops and is the leader for abortions.
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...........no,it does do "other things"

Repost: What Planned Parenthood actually does, in one chart - The Washington Post

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Where are you getting your facts from MSNBC? Your points are just wrong about MR.

While he does support increasing defense spending its spread over 10 yrs and it does creat jobs.

Pland Parenthood only provides birth control for around 3 million women at tops and is the leader for abortions.

Mitt has said over and over he has no plans to change any thing as far as abortion laws. He has said it should be a stste issue not a federal issue.

What rape laws deos he support. LOL

He actual wants to increase education funding.

Firstdown, Planned Parenthood does sooooo much more than abortion procedures. Much of what they offer is centered around women's health. By the way, terminating a pregnancy prematurely isn't always about abortion.

Btw, Romney did say he'd defund Planned Parenthood.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Btw, Romney did say he'd defund Planned Parenthood.

Get rid of, defund, same thing.

Mitt Romney On Planned Parenthood: We Will 'Get Rid' Of It

"Of course you get rid of Obamacare, that's the easy one, but there are others," he said. "Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that."

Yeah I know it's the Huffington Post but it's still a direct quote.

Romney Promises To 'Get Rid Of' Planned Parenthood's Funding

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Where are you getting your facts from MSNBC? Your points are just wrong about MR.

While he does support increasing defense spending its spread over 10 yrs and it does creat jobs.

To me thats not much different then Obama hiring more regulators. That creates jobs too. Either way tax payers are still paying for it. DOD jobs are slightly more tolerable then regulatory jobs, problem is with DOD it's almost impossible for the GOP to control their spending.

Pland Parenthood only provides birth control for around 3 million women at tops and is the leader for abortions.

I don't know if thats true but if it is 3 million women with birth control is a lot.

Mitt has said over and over he has no plans to change any thing as far as abortion laws. He has said it should be a stste issue not a federal issue.

He wants it to be a state issue because he knows a handful of states will outlaw it, particularly those in the Bible Belt. The Supreme Court won't overturn Roe vs Wade but they (GOP) do everything they can to make abortion more difficult like making women view the fetus via ultrasound before the procedure.

Stuff like non life saving late term abortions where the fetus has been proven to feel pain makes sense but early term/life at conception is clearly a religious belief that shouldn't be forced on everyone.

Roe vs Wade ironically enough is in accordance with the principals of freedom and liberty as everyone is allowed to choose their own path.

What rape laws deos he support. LOL

I wasn't specific enough on this. When I made this comment I was referring to the Franken Amendment where almost every Republican Senator voted against having rapist for defense contractors working overseas tried in a court of law instead of being mediated by the company. Obviously Romney nor Ryan was involved in this vote. This slight is aimed more at the GOP as a whole.

However Paul Ryan and his forcible rape amendment with Senator Akin doesn't help anything. I don't know why he backtracked with the "stock language" and "rape is rape" explanation but the fact that he was in that position to begin with is questionable. Again not a deal breaker and not saying Ryan is pro-rape, in fact it's great that he clarified, but shouldn't even be in a position to have to explain himself in the first place.

On this I'm not sure but Romney does seem better then most Republicans on the issue of protecting rape victims which isn't saying much given GOP standards.

He actual wants to increase education funding.

More details please. I might have misspoke on this one and am more then willing to admit that I was wrong.