Art Monk vs. NFL

Giantone · 05-10-2012, 07:27 PM

These are grown men who made a choice to play football and could say no.I don't understand how you hold the league responsible ,anyone playing knows there is a chance they can get hurt at anytime.....or worse.
Most of these men have college degrees and surly were smart enough to know that concussions can cause brain injuries.The NFL changed what they did be it helmits or the way they test the players when the information changed
So if someone I knew dies from an illness and 20 years later they find a cure......can I sue becuase these Doctors should have learned about this illness sooner?

MTK · 05-10-2012, 07:32 PM

A little background

NFL concussion class action: Could the league withstand a lawsuit from players with brain injuries? - Slate Magazine

NC_Skins · 05-10-2012, 07:40 PM

I think one of the primary reasons former players are suing the league isn't because of what we know now about concussions, but because the league didn't go out its way to protect player safety like they are doing now, which has indirectly led to unnecessary hits. Some of these rule and safety changes have been made prior to the whole concussion storm that has hit football.

Just my opinion on this.

NC_Skins · 05-10-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is really starting to get old. Sorry but some of these players are just trying to get paid. Not saying this is the case with Monk but they all knew the risks.

Did they? Probably not. Would it have changed their decision? Probably not.

If I'm correct, people that smoked their whole lives won major lawsuits against the tobacco industry even though there wasn't any evidence at the time of lung cancer and smoking. (or that I know of)

GusFrerotte · 05-10-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Its all about money? Really?
It is called Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. It is about awareness and creating funds for more research. Amazing that it is independent Research Universities like the Sports Legacy Institute at Boston University that is at the forefront of researching this condition. This is the same group that studied Dave Duerson's brain and will be studying Seau's.
I would be interested to see how much the $9-billion a year NFL spends to help research this disease?
All the while the citizen's of Minnesota are being forced to spend tax payer money to build the nfl a new stadium. Yeah you are right, the players are greedy.

OTL: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy - ESPN Video - ESPN

This video gets really interesting at the 01:19 mark.

Ah dude, players know it is a dangerous, rough sport, when they decide to play the game, just like hockey players, or even race car drivers know they could get into a serious car accident. If the players are just trying to increase awareness or get the NFL to maybe spend more on protective equipment I am all for it, but to be honest, with these guys getting bigger and faster every decade, it is going to be very hard to really increase the protection they can get. The whole thing is tremendous blunt force. Maybe create a helmet with some sort of shock absorber mechanism, but even that might only alleviate the force some.

GusFrerotte · 05-10-2012, 08:01 PM

Also, it is a condition, not a disease. A disease can hit you without any warning, these guys would be fine if they didn't subject themsleves to powerful blows.

BleedBurgundy · 05-10-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah this is the key point for me. The only way the players have a case in my mind is if they can show that the NFL knew concussions were dangerous at the time and didn't do enough to prevent them.

We know more today about them, that doesn't mean the NFL knew about it back then and hid it.

I think the players are just using this as leverage to get the NFL to settle on better benefits for retired players.

short of a smoking gun, they really don't have much of a chance at this... unless they get in front of a jury. I have zero faith in the average citizen to be able to decide a case based on its merits and not emotional attachment.

JoeRedskin · 05-10-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not so sure about that.

What we know today about concussions is far different than 20 years ago.

And what the players are alleging, much like those who sued big tobacco, is that, just as big tobacco knew about the risks of nicotine, NFL teams knew much more about the dangers of concussions but hid that information from the players.

skinsfan69 · 05-10-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Did they? Probably not. Would it have changed their decision? Probably not.

If I'm correct, people that smoked their whole lives won major lawsuits against the tobacco industry even though there wasn't any evidence at the time of lung cancer and smoking. (or that I know of)

how many former players actually have brain damage from playing football? a very very small number. it's just that the guys that actually did or do have it, it's been overplayed by the media. what about the thousands of guys that had numerous head hits and are fine?

MTK · 05-10-2012, 10:56 PM

^ Got some stats to back that up?

FRPLG · 05-10-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And what the players are alleging, much like those who sued big tobacco, is that, just as big tobacco knew about the risks of nicotine, NFL teams knew much more about the dangers of concussions but hid that information from the players.

I always love a good conspiracy! Then I remember it seems virtually impossible for such a thing to take place on such a large scale considering how many people would have to hold the line.

redskins5044 · 05-10-2012, 11:31 PM

The issue the former players are fighting for is health care.

FRPLG · 05-10-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by redskins5044

The issue the former players are fighting for is health care.

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And that, I think the NFL should do its reasonable best to make happen.

The Goat · 05-10-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Its like Evel Knievel sueing Harley Davidson for his injuries.

Wait...that's true...totally true!

Giantone · 05-11-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Also, it is a condition, not a disease. A disease can hit you without any warning, these guys would be fine if they didn't subject themsleves to powerful blows.

You are correct my mistake,a self-inflicted condition.That could have happen at any level of their playing career or during any other activity in their life.Why not sue the colleges or any other league,why not sue your parents for leting you play the sport itself?

P.S.

Gus let me ask you a question,should your name sake be part of the lawsuit when he got a concussion from banging his head against a stadium wall???

05-10-2012, 07:27 PM	#16
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,284	Re: Art Monk vs. NFL These are grown men who made a choice to play football and could say no.I don't understand how you hold the league responsible ,anyone playing knows there is a chance they can get hurt at anytime.....or worse. Most of these men have college degrees and surly were smart enough to know that concussions can cause brain injuries.The NFL changed what they did be it helmits or the way they test the players when the information changed So if someone I knew dies from an illness and 20 years later they find a cure......can I sue becuase these Doctors should have learned about this illness sooner? __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

05-10-2012, 07:32 PM	#17
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Re: Art Monk vs. NFL A little background NFL concussion class action: Could the league withstand a lawsuit from players with brain injuries? - Slate Magazine __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-10-2012, 07:40 PM	#18
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,528	Re: Art Monk vs. NFL I think one of the primary reasons former players are suing the league isn't because of what we know now about concussions, but because the league didn't go out its way to protect player safety like they are doing now, which has indirectly led to unnecessary hits. Some of these rule and safety changes have been made prior to the whole concussion storm that has hit football. Just my opinion on this. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

05-10-2012, 08:01 PM	#21
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Art Monk vs. NFL Also, it is a condition, not a disease. A disease can hit you without any warning, these guys would be fine if they didn't subject themsleves to powerful blows.

05-10-2012, 10:56 PM	#25
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Re: Art Monk vs. NFL ^ Got some stats to back that up? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-10-2012, 11:31 PM	#27
redskins5044 Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Schertz, Tx Age: 45 Posts: 3,224	The issue the former players are fighting for is health care. __________________ Spider 2 Y Banana Jr. is the new Head Coach. Last edited by redskins5044; 05-10-2012 at 11:44 PM.

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