Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[celts32]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

If it's true then how quickly did our F.O. get on the phone?

This will make things interesting.

No need to jump on the phone...they already had dinner with the Rams people on Saturday night.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

A few things about Tannehill get lost in the shuffle of soundbite media coverage.
Whatever can't fit into a tidy little soundbite never gets mentioned.
I think its important to note that Tannehill as freshmen lost the QB competition to senior QB Steve McGee who went on to be drafted.
Then as a sophmore he lost it to junior QB Jerrod Johnson (also in the NFL) who was arguably the best QB in the conference at the time. (I watched a lot of A&M because I was/am a Jerrod Johnson fan.
A lot of QBs playing behind lesser QBs transfer under the same set of circumstances.
There is something to be said for Tannehill not only sticking around but helping his team out by becoming one of if not the best WR for A&M.
Then as junior he wins the starting spot from Jerrod Johnson during the season.

Another important tidbit that gets overlooked that I learned from this interview:
NFL Videos: Tannehill taking it all in

Tannehill was a QB the whole time, still attending the QB meetings and still taking reps he just happend to be a damn good WR at the same time.
Its ironic that his time as a WR is coloring his perception in a negative light when he has more DI starts then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez.

Also if you want to see Tannehill throwing:
NFL Videos: Catching up with Cousins

don't pay any attention to the interview with Cousins; pay attention to the footage of the WRs running the Gauntlet

Tannehill was the first QB throwing in the WR Gauntlet and guess who was standing right behind him watching him make every throw?
Our very own QB coach Matt LaFleur

Good post, thanks for the clarification and insight.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Maybe that's a poll question? Would you rather

A) Sign Peyton Manning (Without full assurance he's healthy)
B) Trade multiple picks including two 1sts for RG3

IMO based on you options there is no choice you would have to go with B. I only want a healthy PM.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Eh? You think Tannehill's bust potential is high because you don't see the comparison to Luck and Griffin? Scratches head.
Its a skillset comparison not draft position comparison.
Anyone that has watched enough of Tannehill to have a valid assessment of his skillset and denies the obvious comparison of physical skillset to Griffin and Luck specifically is imo practicing football dishonesty.

Usually when a team/staff drafts a QB the decision is driven by a coach that thinks the bolded underlined portion above.

Huh? Ryan Tannehill clones from a skillset standpoint? If so who?

A lot of your thoughts on Tannehill appears to be based in your opinion that Foles and Cousins can make throws that Tannehill, which is a difficult opinion to support.
If you're gonna be consistent then of course you have to accept that through scheme you can protect a prospect from his weakness just like with Foles or Cousins.
Despite Tannehill's inability to throw at the Senior Bowl and at the combine no other prospect has been able to distinguish themselves in the eyes of the sports media and enter the conversation as the 3rd QB.
(I say sports media because the actual scouting/FO evaluations are well guarded and the media opinion is shaped more by agent/scout/FO agenda double talk then it is the truth. So when the sports media are 'shocked' or 'surprised' when a player gets drafted higher then they expect its much less a 'reach' then the realization that the sports media opinion doesn't always match scout/FO evaluations.
But I digress...)
If teams have Tannehill rated as the 3rd QB its likely that they have already found the answers to the questions that you have and likely don't share your negative opinions about his downfield throwing that you harbor.

No, you have it wrong. It's dishonest and unproductive to make the comparison between Tannehill and Luck/Griffin. Physically, it's not close. Tannehill is a good athlete for a quarterback. He can make plays with his legs, and can outrun some linebackers. But Luck and Griffin are two of the better athletes at the position that have come out in years.

The issue is whether Tannehill is in a class by himself - a first round skill set that puts him in a class above Cousins/Foles/etc, or just part of that group of talented seniors who might make some noise in the NFL if they can find the right system. If you have all second/third/fourth round grades on those prospects, then rolling the dice on Tannehill makes some sense. He is, in terms of athleticism, superior to Cousins, Foles, Moore, etc. However, I don't think the limitations Tannehill has shown within pocket shouldn't just be shrugged off.

I think Tannehill throws the ball to some area of the field really well, and not as well to others. I am interested to see what he can become, but know what I'm getting in the prospects who are more accomplished from the pocket.

I'm open to the argument that his skill set and strong foundation in the short passing game makes him the most desirable of the rest of the QB prospects, but the Luck-Griffin comparisons aren't useful.

[GTripp0012]

Also, Osweiler has a much stronger arm and, I think, much better athleticism in terms of strength in the pocket and quickness than Ryan Tannehill does. I would take Tannehill over him though because Tannehill has that foundation of the quick passing game from his Texas A&M days, while Osweiler comes to the NFL with zero foundational skills, just a raw skill set.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

No need to jump on the phone...they already had dinner with the Rams people on Saturday night.

Ah I can picture it now

"And what will you be having Mr. Shanahan?"

*Intense stare at Fischer*

"Veal."

[alpineONE]

Anyone else think it's wierd that the "Video Spotlight" on the Redskins.com homepage is RGIIIs presser? The one where he talks about playing for the Skins or Browns? Pretty unusual that they would put a clip up like that...and open it/close it with the "Redskins Nation" animation. And no intro/outro from Larry or anything. Perhaps I drank a bit too much kool-aid over the past day plus. Who knows what the Skins are up to.

[warriorzpath]

I don't know... watching Tannehill run as a qb- he looks very impressive. He would give defenses fits with his running ability. He's not in the same category as RGIII, but I think he's close- maybe better in some areas because of his experience and skill at wideout. I think he beats Luck in terms of running skills and athleticism - hands down. Once Tannehill gets his passing skills and decision-making caught up to his running ability, he will be dangerous.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know... watching Tannehill run as a qb- he looks very impressive. He would give defenses fits with his running ability. He's not in the same category as RGIII, but I think he's close- maybe better in some areas because of his experience and skill at wideout. I think he beats Luck in terms of running skills and athleticism - hands down. Once Tannehill gets his passing skills and decision-making caught up to his running ability, he will be dangerous.

He just doesn't though. Luck routinely breaks off runs that have him outrunning college corners. Tannehill has his fair share of breakaway TD runs as well, but we're not talking about two guys in the same class.

Luck is going to be a great threat with his legs in the pros regardless of system. Tannehill is more than capable of running the ball within the context of the system, with designed boots and rollouts and draws and such, but he's not Andrew Luck or Cam Newton or Robert Griffin physically. He's just not the same guy.

I think a better comp, athletically, would be Stafford.

[los panda]

i think rg3 is the bees knees

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by alpineONE

Anyone else think it's wierd that the "Video Spotlight" on the Redskins.com homepage is RGIIIs presser? The one where he talks about playing for the Skins or Browns? Pretty unusual that they would put a clip up like that...and open it/close it with the "Redskins Nation" animation. And no intro/outro from Larry or anything. Perhaps I drank a bit too much kool-aid over the past day plus. Who knows what the Skins are up to.

IIRC a lot of the actual news and content on Redskins.com is provided by Comcast so it's not like the team is going out of its way to put it on there rather they're not stepping in and saying "hey we don't want this on here" which is probably how it is with 99% of the stuff posted there.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My question is: Do Tannehill or Weeden have enough talent to be an option instead of trading all those picks? Are either that far behind RGIII in talent that they are not an option?

I 100% believe so. Which is why I'm against throwing all those picks to get him when there is a possibility 7-8 picks could be turned into 12-16 picks that would help this team with its on going rebuild. With a good OL we would not have a need for a QB who has to run for his life or fails to go through his progressions because he gets impatient and runs.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

OK lets say we give this years 1,2,3 and next years first.
Does the Warpath meltdown as a whole or rejoice?

Melt down. Doom and gloom.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yes. Take a moment to look at Griffin.

- Olympic level athlete
- Elite Arm Strength
- Downfield accuracy
- High IQ (likely over 140)
- High character
- Led Baylor....BAYLOR to a 9-3 season including wins over Oklahoma and Texas.
- 4 year starter...err 3.15 year starter.

Tannehill and Weeden, who ironically beat Baylor, have some of those characteristics but not all of them. Virtually anything they can do RGIII can do and he'll likely do it better.

Um- Weeden has all that except the running/ evasiveness.
Strong arm
Able to make all the throws
Accuracy
Great with the fade and out route
Smart
Mature
Already gets along with the coaching staff
Has great throwing motion unlike RGIII with his 3/4 motion.
Can read defenses
Shows patience and mobility in the pocket
Works through his progressions
Does not lock on to any one WR

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

I agree completely. Theres a reason a team will be able to get Tannehill much later than RG3. I dont want to settle on him, he would have to sit and develop im really hoping we pull the trigger and to move up to get RG3

This is completely like last year, we had 2 WR's who stood out and the ones you mention we're the second tier level QB's. This yr we have 2 who have stood out and Tannehill, Cousins, and Weeden all being similar.