I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[SmootSmack]

I'll bet I know exactly who his source is. One of my sources is also a scout connected to the Browns. But he can be pretty ridiculous with his info which is why I always cross check what he says. Though last year he was the only person to give me the heads up on Bowen to the Redskins. But I ignored him.

[redskin29633]

[quote=Mechanix544;881962]With all due respect, this is completely wrong. After the ridiculously horrible teams and below average quarterback play we have witnessed the past decade and a half, if we get youth on this squad, try and build through the draft, and quit signing veteran players for way too much, then the fanbase will "take their lumps".

That is, with one variable.

Better quarterback play, or at least quarterback play with a little promise. If we have back to back 7-9 or 8-8 seasons, but have a capable rookie at the helm, and understand that the pieces are being put in place, and the team will take a year or two to completely "gel", then I hope that we as skins fans can see the light at the end of the tunnel. 7-9 or 8-8 would bring our squad out of the cellar, and might just end our reign as the laughing stock of the league. But it all hinges on quarterback play, and that all depends on the front office and how they plan on getting him here.

7-9 with a nice young rookie showing promise, acceptable.

7-9 with Rex Grossman at the helm, again leading the league in fumbles and turnovers, unnacceptable./quote]

I disagree with this last statement. If Redskins do enough to get to 7-9, show some real improvement, and we have to wait another year for a quality QB, or a drafted QB to develop and learn the system, then that's OK with me. It would show measurable progress and offer hope for the future.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll bet I know exactly who his source is. One of my sources is also a scout connected to the Browns. But he can be pretty ridiculous with his info which is why I always cross check what he says. Though last year he was the only person to give me the heads up on Bowen to the Redskins. But I ignored him.

So what does a Browns scout have to say about the team's regard for Colt McCoy?

[redskin29633]

Sounds to me as if the door is still open for Rex in 2012.

Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So what does a Browns scout have to say about the team's regard for Colt McCoy?

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

Dammit SS, tell me what I want to hear without messing around with this truth stuff.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Dammit SS, tell me what I want to hear without messing around with this truth stuff.

Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by redskin29633

Sounds to me as if the door is still open for Rex in 2012.

Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

There's some days where I want to go all Schneed on some people. And then I say to myself, "give, and ye shall receive. Goosfraba."

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.

[mooby]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you see what happens when random people post random rumors on the interwebz? You get stuff like this:

Dawg Talkers Message Boards: Vikes and Rams will listen to trade talk

post #896921

Originally Posted by random Browns fan

Just on a side note and not to derail the thread but I was reading that link posted to Washington and they had some serious dicussion from the "people in the know" about McCoy going to Washington and pairing him up with Shipley (sp?).

[los panda]

that site hurts my eyes, and i like the browns

[mooby]

Originally Posted by los panda

that site hurts my eyes, and i like the browns

I like the Redskins, but a certain site that has the same rooting interests hurts my eyes too. Why do you think I came to this joint instead?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.

Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you see what happens when random people post random rumors on the interwebz? You get stuff like this:

Dawg Talkers Message Boards: Vikes and Rams will listen to trade talk

post #896921

Clearly referencing this site since they also bring up SC's Vikings/Bradford/Redskins rumor

But yeah I think I've gone blind now

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"

I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round but has produced more quality QBs then most.
I'd bet his hit rate average with QBs outstrips the average of the rest of the league.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.