Build the Redskins for 2012

SirClintonPortis · 11-16-2011, 10:51 PM

John Beck is arguably worse than JaMarcus Russell. Yes, I said it.

skinsfaninok · 11-16-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

John Beck is arguably worse than JaMarcus Russell. Yes, I said it.

Lotus is a better QB than John Beck

GTripp0012 · 11-16-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

John Beck is arguably worse than JaMarcus Russell. Yes, I said it.

Send them both to Hawaii for one of them shirt and shorts QB challenges.

GTripp0012 · 11-16-2011, 10:58 PM

For what it's worth, I think Barkley stays, Griffin stays, Jones comes out.

Preliminary Rankings:

Luck
Jones
Foles
Tannehill
Moore
Cousins

skinsfaninok · 11-16-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

For what it's worth, I think Barkley stays, Griffin stays, Jones comes out.

Preliminary Rankings:

Luck
Jones
Foles
Tannehill
Moore
Cousins

I think Barkley and Rg3 come out (I hope)

CultBrennan59 · 11-16-2011, 11:15 PM

Heres the best, average, and worst case scenarios for each QB as how I see them.

Luck:
Best case- Peyton Manning
Average case- Matt Ryan
Worst case- alex smith

Barkley:
BC- Eli Manning
AC- Mark Sanchez
WC- Matt Leinart

Landry:
BC- Jay Cutler
AC- Matt Cassel
WC- AJ Feely

Foles:
BC- Tom Brady
AC- Joe Flacco
WC- John Skelton

RGIII:
BC- Mike Vick(more accurate)
AC- Andy Dalton
WC- Vince Young

Kellen Moore:
BC: Drew Brees
AC: Chad Pennington
WC: Dave Roseden

SmootSmack · 11-16-2011, 11:19 PM

Considering our current QB status, I think any of us would be fine with Dave Roseden

skinsfaninok · 11-16-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Heres the best, average, and worst case scenarios for each QB as how I see them.

Luck:
Best case- Peyton Manning
Average case- Matt Ryan
Worst case- alex smith

Barkley:
BC- Eli Manning
AC- Mark Sanchez
WC- Matt Leinart

Landry:
BC- Jay Cutler
AC- Matt Cassel
WC- AJ Feely

Foles:
BC- Tom Brady
AC- Joe Flacco
WC- John Skelton

RGIII:
BC- Mike Vick(more accurate)
AC- Andy Dalton
WC- Vince Young

Kellen Moore:
BC: Drew Brees
AC: Chad Pennington
WC: Dave Roseden

Not bad although I'd say LJ would be more like Flacco than Foles but good view of all players

skinsfaninok · 11-16-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Considering our current QB status, I think any of us would be fine with Dave Roseden

Pshhh give me Tim Tebow and I'd be stoked compared to what we have now, hell I'd rather throw 8 times per game

CultBrennan59 · 11-16-2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Not bad although I'd say LJ would be more like Flacco than Foles but good view of all players

My reasoning is because Landry can't throw the deep ball as far or as well as Foles, IMO (based on what I've seen the few times I've seen the 2 QB's play)

sdskinsfan2001 · 11-17-2011, 12:04 AM

My ideal 1st and 2nd round draft choices to get some fire power on offense:

Round 1: Robert Griffin III Baylor
Round 2: Jeff Fuller Texas A&M or Juron Criner Arizona

I am impressed with both those receivers and think they are worth 2nd round picks. The are both 6'4 220 pounds and can go get the ball. The more I see and read about RGIII the more impressed I am. He has a really strong arm and can move.

RGIII
Helu
F. Davis
C. Cooley
Hankerson
Fuller/Criner
Moss

With these guys at the skilled positions next year we would have a chance to really start to grow as an offense. HTTR!!! 2012 is finally going to be the year we see drastic improvements.

After those picks the areas of need I think are the highest are O-Line, CB, ILB

That Guy · 11-17-2011, 12:27 AM

OL, OL, OL.

we don't need WRs, what we've got is fine. We DO need to keep our QB from getting killed and that includes injury insurance. we could use a starting OG, RT and a swing starter. the ONLY thing we should opt out of OL for is a QB.

any time you see average RBs or WRs or QBs doing well, it's probably because they can keep their uniforms clean.

moss/gaffney/hankerson/armstrong/davis/cooley will be fine, even if we lose a TE to free agency. very few WRs are randy moss like in production, especially year 1.

REDSKINS4ever · 11-17-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

John Beck is arguably worse than JaMarcus Russell. Yes, I said it.

You're absolutely right. At least Russell has a win as a starting quarterback at the NFL level.

CultBrennan59 · 11-17-2011, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

My ideal 1st and 2nd round draft choices to get some fire power on offense:

Round 1: Robert Griffin III Baylor
Round 2: Jeff Fuller Texas A&M or Juron Criner Arizona

I am impressed with both those receivers and think they are worth 2nd round picks. The are both 6'4 220 pounds and can go get the ball. The more I see and read about RGIII the more impressed I am. He has a really strong arm and can move.

RGIII
Helu
F. Davis
C. Cooley
Hankerson
Fuller/Criner
Moss

With these guys at the skilled positions next year we would have a chance to really start to grow as an offense. HTTR!!! 2012 is finally going to be the year we see drastic improvements.

After those picks the areas of need I think are the highest are O-Line, CB, ILB

I disagree. WR is a need, but CB and MLB are greater needs for this team. Plus Fuller has been disappointing (hasn't had a 100 yard receiving game this year) Criner is good because of Foles, but is often injured and is eerly similar to hankerson.

Dont'a Hightower or Janoris Jenkins or Jayron Hosely would be better picks in the 2nd than him...keep in mind we're on pace to have a high second round pick...

sdskinsfan2001 · 11-17-2011, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I disagree. WR is a need, but CB and MLB are greater needs for this team. Plus Fuller has been disappointing (hasn't had a 100 yard receiving game this year) Criner is good because of Foles, but is often injured and is eerly similar to hankerson.

Dont'a Hightower or Janoris Jenkins or Jayron Hosely would be better picks in the 2nd than him...keep in mind we're on pace to have a high second round pick...

I wouldn't have a problem with Hightower and Hosely, those are solid selections. I do not want Jenkins. I want a team full of Kerrigans and bring the lunch pale type guys.

But our offense is just so bad, I feel like our 1st two rounds are needed to get some talent that can make some plays. Fuller has 32 career TD's and Criner has 29, it would be nice to have some guys that have potential to score. You can't penalize a receiver for having a good quarterback, most good receivers have good qb's. I also wouldnt mind getting McNutt from Iowa either, he is a big receiver too and has made a lot of plays when I have seen him play this season (wow just looked at his stats 65 Catches - 1089 yards).

We have so many needs though I'm not against quality players at any position besides TE that will help our team. I'm also looking forward to getting Jarvis Jenkins back, he seems like he will be a solid player, hope the recovery is going as scheduled.

If we were able to get RG III I would consider the whole draft a success regardless of what way they choose to go w/ the rest of the picks.

11-16-2011, 10:51 PM	#226
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 John Beck is arguably worse than JaMarcus Russell. Yes, I said it. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

11-16-2011, 10:58 PM	#229
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 For what it's worth, I think Barkley stays, Griffin stays, Jones comes out. Preliminary Rankings: Luck Jones Foles Tannehill Moore Cousins __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-16-2011, 11:15 PM	#231
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 Heres the best, average, and worst case scenarios for each QB as how I see them. Luck: Best case- Peyton Manning Average case- Matt Ryan Worst case- alex smith Barkley: BC- Eli Manning AC- Mark Sanchez WC- Matt Leinart Landry: BC- Jay Cutler AC- Matt Cassel WC- AJ Feely Foles: BC- Tom Brady AC- Joe Flacco WC- John Skelton RGIII: BC- Mike Vick(more accurate) AC- Andy Dalton WC- Vince Young Kellen Moore: BC: Drew Brees AC: Chad Pennington WC: Dave Roseden __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

11-16-2011, 11:19 PM	#232
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 Considering our current QB status, I think any of us would be fine with Dave Roseden __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-17-2011, 12:04 AM	#236
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 20,352	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 My ideal 1st and 2nd round draft choices to get some fire power on offense: Round 1: Robert Griffin III Baylor Round 2: Jeff Fuller Texas A&M or Juron Criner Arizona I am impressed with both those receivers and think they are worth 2nd round picks. The are both 6'4 220 pounds and can go get the ball. The more I see and read about RGIII the more impressed I am. He has a really strong arm and can move. RGIII Helu F. Davis C. Cooley Hankerson Fuller/Criner Moss With these guys at the skilled positions next year we would have a chance to really start to grow as an offense. HTTR!!! 2012 is finally going to be the year we see drastic improvements. After those picks the areas of need I think are the highest are O-Line, CB, ILB Last edited by sdskinsfan2001; 11-17-2011 at 12:08 AM.

11-17-2011, 12:27 AM	#237
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,566	Re: Build the Redskins for 2012 OL, OL, OL. we don't need WRs, what we've got is fine. We DO need to keep our QB from getting killed and that includes injury insurance. we could use a starting OG, RT and a swing starter. the ONLY thing we should opt out of OL for is a QB. any time you see average RBs or WRs or QBs doing well, it's probably because they can keep their uniforms clean. moss/gaffney/hankerson/armstrong/davis/cooley will be fine, even if we lose a TE to free agency. very few WRs are randy moss like in production, especially year 1.

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