Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open)

SmootSmack · 11-06-2011, 01:42 PM

Well, I had put in a placeholder here because I didn't think I'd get to this tonight. I asked Matty to fill in last week and we scored 0 points in one of our worst performances ever. So clearly Matty is bad luck. And I didn't have a chance to ask someone else to fill in.

And then Mooby starts complaining, and you know how those Goth kids are...so here we are.

Time to lay the smack down. This will be dedicated to one person.

John Beck I thought it was a good idea to give him a few games and see what he could bring. And now that he's played a few...enough is enough. I've said many times I'm not a fan of his, and I hate that I feel right about what I said. I really, really wanted to be wrong about him. But his arm sucks, he rushes through his reads, misses wide open receivers. It's just brutal. And this isn't some rookie or 2nd year player we're talking about.

Shanahan, rightfully so, was pissed at Trent Williams for his late hit (which my main man Justin Smith totally sold with his little falling backflip). But it was probably just as much because he knew (like everyone else) there is no margin for error at all with John Beck at the helm.

Of course, Shanahan (both father and son), and Allen deserve blame for even putting Beck under center. And Grossman for not putting so much distance between himself and Beck that Beck would never see the field. But Beck, in my opinion, gets to deflect much of the blame to those other people. Too many excuses are made for Beck. And I say...enough is enough.

The best thing that happened to Beck was a lockout so the myth of him could continue for several extra months before he actually had to take a snap. Now that we've seen him play...enough is enough.

I thought the gameplan was sharp. Get the ball to Helu a lot, use short screens as pseudo-running plays, stretch the field and open the passing lanes. And they did. But Beck hardly ever even looked for his receivers.

I'm not mad that we didn't get a QB in this draft. Disappointed, but not mad. Because I think we have made good additions to this team for the long run (sidenote: I know he wasn't a draft pick but man Chris Chester is 100 times the FA pickup Artis Hicks was last year). But we absolutely have to get at least one new QB next off-season. And if we don't start him right away (which I think we should do), I certainly hope Beck isn't the bridge to that guy, because...enough is enough.

I don't see any upside at all with Beck. Meanwhile, Matt Moore with a 3 TD performance today. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...Moore I think at least has upside. With Beck...enough is enough.

SmootSmack · 11-07-2011, 12:01 AM

Sorry, didn't realize I hadn't opened it.

mooby · 11-07-2011, 12:09 AM

Also, Matty's not bad luck. John Beck is bad luck. And I knew you wouldn't resist name dropping Matt Moore after he balled all over the Chiefs today.

My main hope is that the Shannies fit the scheme to whichever qb we draft's strengths next year. That's why all these rookie qb's are doing well, their coaches aren't asking them to do too much.

And I really don't need to rag too much on John Beck here. He played like an undrafted free agent rookie qb today though, he had a bad case of happy feet, staring down receivers, immediately going to his first option even if they weren't open, and missing wide open receivers down the field when he had the chance. It was pretty bad, and I hope nobody was blinded by the pity touchdown we got at the end. We got that touchdown because they rushed 3 the entire drive, and the only time we can ever expect that to happen is late in the game when we're getting blown out and a loss is virtually assured.

But yes, the myth of Beck has been busted. I honestly don't care who we go with at qb for the rest of the season, because even though Rex can move the ball, we can't sit here and convince ourselves that he'll be any better than what he was in the first 5 games of the season.

Also, it's pretty hard to smack down anybody on this team other than Beck right now. The d is on the field too long, they actually held their own somewhat this week, definitely can't smack on the special teams considering Gano balled like a serious ass mofo this week (seriously, you couldn't have paid me to believe that Gano had the brass nads to make a 59 yarder ever in his career) and Rocca is our first half MVP.

SFREDSKIN · 11-07-2011, 12:09 AM

The offense looks inept, but I like what I see from the young rookies (Hankerson, Helu, Paul, Hurt) they will be getting better and better and by the end of the season this offense will improve. This is a slow rebuild, next year with a new QB, a few new young OL, it will be ready to compete. People need to be patient.

Ruhskins · 11-07-2011, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The offense looks inept, but I like what I see from the young rookies (Hankerson, Helu, Paul, Hurt) they will be getting better and better and by the end of the season this offense will improve. This is a slow rebuild, next year with a new QB, a few new young OL, it will be ready to compete. People need to be patient.

Kinda hard to develop young WRs if you don't have a QB that can throw it to them. Aside from developing WRs and RBs, I do hope that we can get a solid offensive line developed this year. We are going to need it if we are going to have a rookie starting next season.

mooby · 11-07-2011, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The offense looks inept, but I like what I see from the young rookies (Hankerson, Helu, Paul, Hurt) they will be getting better and better and by the end of the season this offense will improve. This is a slow rebuild, next year with a new QB, a few new young OL, it will be ready to compete. People need to be patient.

Don't bring positives in here, this is the smackdown. I do think it should be pretty quiet in here this week, unless the crazies show up wanting blood from the Shanahans or Bruce Allen, which would be insanely stupid, almost as bad as tanking the season, coughGusFrerottecough. Long story short, we knew what we were getting into this season when it was declared an open qb competition in training camp.

SFREDSKIN · 11-07-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Don't bring positives in here, this is the smackdown. I do think it should be pretty quiet in here this week, unless the crazies show up wanting blood from the Shanahans or Bruce Allen, which would be insanely stupid, almost as bad as tanking the season, coughGusFrerottecough. Long story short, we knew what we were getting into this season when it was declared an open qb competition in training camp.

Then Trent Williams (stupid penalty) needs to be smacked along with Reed Doughty for missing a tackle on Gore that produced a long gainer. Fred Davis and Austin for dropping passes.

mooby · 11-07-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Then Trent Williams (stupid penalty) needs to be smacked along with Reed Doughty for missing a tackle on Gore that produced a long gainer. Fred Davis and Austin for dropping passes.

More like it. Also, would you have had the confidence that even if we converted that third down, that Beck had what it takes to move the offense down the field to score points? I know I wouldn't have. And I believe Trent Williams when he said he was just sticking up for Mo Hurt and he didn't hear the whistle. Plus, Justin Smith sold it like Manu Ginobili on the court.

SirClintonPortis · 11-07-2011, 12:22 AM

Beck, while he has a decent physical toolset(and hence why he became a 2nd round draft pick), is simply not quick enough mentally to play quarterback in this league. Sure, it might get a bit faster with experience, but even so, it will not be fast enough for him to make it as a starter for any team.

mooby · 11-07-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Beck, while he has a decent physical toolset(and hence why he became a 2nd round draft pick), is simply not quick enough mentally to play quarterback in this league. Sure, it might get a bit faster with experience, but even so, it will not be fast enough for him to make it as a starter for any team.

By the time it would take to get him to play a bit faster, it'd probably be too late. It's like others have said, we really do have to put this on Shanny for knowingly going into the season with Grossman and Beck as the main options at qb. I do believe that they felt strongly if they improved the team around the qb, then it wouldn't put as much pressure on him. Either way, we're stuck with them for the rest of the season. Just be patient, and know that the savior is on the way.

SirClintonPortis · 11-07-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

By the time it would take to get him to play a bit faster, it'd probably be too late. It's like others have said, we really do have to put this on Shanny for knowingly going into the season with Grossman and Beck as the main options at qb. I do believe that they felt strongly if they improved the team around the qb, then it wouldn't put as much pressure on him. Either way, we're stuck with them for the rest of the season. Just be patient, and know that the savior is on the way.

I'm pretty sure I implied this heavily in the last section of my long sentence.

SFREDSKIN · 11-07-2011, 12:35 AM

Add Banks to the smackdown for making some poor decisions.

mooby · 11-07-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I'm pretty sure I implied this heavily in the last section of my long sentence.

I was simply taking the long way of saying, I concur.

/Also read like the first 2/3 of your post, then decided I got your point, then started working the response. Yeahhhhhhhhhh.

mooby · 11-07-2011, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Add Banks to the smackdown for making some poor decisions.

Bullee DAT. I was actually rooting for Niles Paul to break one on his return so we'd have justification for cutting Banks. Is it me or does he look slower and not as decisive as he was last year in deciding where to go?

skinsfan69 · 11-07-2011, 12:39 AM

The announcers pointed out that the safeties were playing 10 yards from the line. That's total disrespect to the opposing QB. I hate to say I was right about Beck but I was dead on. He's a bum. We all kinda wanted to believe in him based off his pre season games but that's what it is. Pre season. He had a good game and everyone wanted to crown the guy. A lot different when people actually start game planning. He can't read defenses, has no deep ball, is too quick to check the ball down and doesn't let plays develop, he's just awful and so are the Shanahan's for shoving this guy down the fans throats.

11-06-2011, 01:42 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) Well, I had put in a placeholder here because I didn't think I'd get to this tonight. I asked Matty to fill in last week and we scored 0 points in one of our worst performances ever. So clearly Matty is bad luck. And I didn't have a chance to ask someone else to fill in. And then Mooby starts complaining, and you know how those Goth kids are...so here we are. Time to lay the smack down. This will be dedicated to one person. John Beck I thought it was a good idea to give him a few games and see what he could bring. And now that he's played a few...enough is enough. I've said many times I'm not a fan of his, and I hate that I feel right about what I said. I really, really wanted to be wrong about him. But his arm sucks, he rushes through his reads, misses wide open receivers. It's just brutal. And this isn't some rookie or 2nd year player we're talking about. Shanahan, rightfully so, was pissed at Trent Williams for his late hit (which my main man Justin Smith totally sold with his little falling backflip). But it was probably just as much because he knew (like everyone else) there is no margin for error at all with John Beck at the helm. Of course, Shanahan (both father and son), and Allen deserve blame for even putting Beck under center. And Grossman for not putting so much distance between himself and Beck that Beck would never see the field. But Beck, in my opinion, gets to deflect much of the blame to those other people. Too many excuses are made for Beck. And I say...enough is enough. The best thing that happened to Beck was a lockout so the myth of him could continue for several extra months before he actually had to take a snap. Now that we've seen him play...enough is enough. I thought the gameplan was sharp. Get the ball to Helu a lot, use short screens as pseudo-running plays, stretch the field and open the passing lanes. And they did. But Beck hardly ever even looked for his receivers. I'm not mad that we didn't get a QB in this draft. Disappointed, but not mad. Because I think we have made good additions to this team for the long run (sidenote: I know he wasn't a draft pick but man Chris Chester is 100 times the FA pickup Artis Hicks was last year). But we absolutely have to get at least one new QB next off-season. And if we don't start him right away (which I think we should do), I certainly hope Beck isn't the bridge to that guy, because...enough is enough. I don't see any upside at all with Beck. Meanwhile, Matt Moore with a 3 TD performance today. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...Moore I think at least has upside. With Beck...enough is enough. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You Last edited by SmootSmack; 11-06-2011 at 09:20 PM.

11-07-2011, 12:01 AM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) Sorry, didn't realize I hadn't opened it. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-07-2011, 12:09 AM	#3
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,513	Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) Also, Matty's not bad luck. John Beck is bad luck. And I knew you wouldn't resist name dropping Matt Moore after he balled all over the Chiefs today. My main hope is that the Shannies fit the scheme to whichever qb we draft's strengths next year. That's why all these rookie qb's are doing well, their coaches aren't asking them to do too much. And I really don't need to rag too much on John Beck here. He played like an undrafted free agent rookie qb today though, he had a bad case of happy feet, staring down receivers, immediately going to his first option even if they weren't open, and missing wide open receivers down the field when he had the chance. It was pretty bad, and I hope nobody was blinded by the pity touchdown we got at the end. We got that touchdown because they rushed 3 the entire drive, and the only time we can ever expect that to happen is late in the game when we're getting blown out and a loss is virtually assured. But yes, the myth of Beck has been busted. I honestly don't care who we go with at qb for the rest of the season, because even though Rex can move the ball, we can't sit here and convince ourselves that he'll be any better than what he was in the first 5 games of the season. Also, it's pretty hard to smack down anybody on this team other than Beck right now. The d is on the field too long, they actually held their own somewhat this week, definitely can't smack on the special teams considering Gano balled like a serious ass mofo this week (seriously, you couldn't have paid me to believe that Gano had the brass nads to make a 59 yarder ever in his career) and Rocca is our first half MVP. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

11-07-2011, 12:09 AM	#4
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) The offense looks inept, but I like what I see from the young rookies (Hankerson, Helu, Paul, Hurt) they will be getting better and better and by the end of the season this offense will improve. This is a slow rebuild, next year with a new QB, a few new young OL, it will be ready to compete. People need to be patient. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

11-07-2011, 12:22 AM	#9
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) Beck, while he has a decent physical toolset(and hence why he became a 2nd round draft pick), is simply not quick enough mentally to play quarterback in this league. Sure, it might get a bit faster with experience, but even so, it will not be fast enough for him to make it as a starter for any team. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

11-07-2011, 12:35 AM	#12
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) Add Banks to the smackdown for making some poor decisions. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

11-07-2011, 12:39 AM	#15
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,371	Re: Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. 49ers) (Thread is Open) The announcers pointed out that the safeties were playing 10 yards from the line. That's total disrespect to the opposing QB. I hate to say I was right about Beck but I was dead on. He's a bum. We all kinda wanted to believe in him based off his pre season games but that's what it is. Pre season. He had a good game and everyone wanted to crown the guy. A lot different when people actually start game planning. He can't read defenses, has no deep ball, is too quick to check the ball down and doesn't let plays develop, he's just awful and so are the Shanahan's for shoving this guy down the fans throats.

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