What's your take on our coaching?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

"... [Kyle] just wants to pass all day, and even the best passing offenses know how valuable running the ball is."

Originally Posted by Lotus

"We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded."

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the link. Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the link. Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.

Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

Totally 100% disagree here. Why are you so down on Torain????? I think he's proven that when he has some daylight he can break tackles and make yardage. We've seen him do it. Yesterday there was simply nowhere to run.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Totally 100% disagree here. Why are you so down on Torain????? I think he's proven that when he has some daylight he can break tackles and make yardage. We've seen him do it. Yesterday there was simply nowhere to run.

I can't apply this to yesterday's game, but the eye in the sky says otherwise. Torain runs to early contact because he doesn't see where the lane is. He does worse with the blocking he gets than most RBs do.

I've seen him do it, but only against awful run defenses (with one exception: the 2010 Chicago Bears, best game of his career). What has Torain ever done to the Cowboys or the Giants on the ground?

Helu didn't get a rushing yard yesterday. Until we're going to let our best runner touch the football, we can't say we're not talented. This is a problem Kyle had in Houston as well, difference being, he could evade criticism by ignoring the running game. Here, he cant get away with that.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

That was my argument in several posts above. I tebow to your post.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

With Wrecks and Beck a decent passing offense is impossible.

What other choice is left but a good faith effort at a running game?

Perhaps a running game won't work. Perhaps. But the passing game has no hope.