How far can Beck take us?

SkinzWin · 08-20-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not the same thing really, but whatever

I realize its not about media influencing players joining or not joining a team. But I thought it was quasi relevant.

About the long ball, I thought people said he was throwing up dead ducks in camp on the long ball?

SirClintonPortis · 08-20-2011, 04:43 PM

His long ball's problem has been accuracy. Overthrowing his receivers and stuff.

But Matt Schaub only averaged 3 long balls(passes that traveled 20+ yards) a game in Kyle Shanahan's last season with the Texans.

Also, if you stack the box, it's to stop the run, not the pass. The intermediate passes(around 15 yards) will be there.

SkinzWin · 08-20-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

His long ball's problem has been accuracy. Overthrowing his receivers and stuff.

But Matt Schaub only averaged 3 long balls(passes that traveled 20+ yards) a game in Kyle Shanahan's last season with the Texans.

Also, if you stack the box, it's to stop the run, not the pass. The intermediate passes(around 15 yards) will be there.

You know what I meant. LOL

Longtimefan · 08-20-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL

It's always neat to check out what people say both before and after. I was just looking at some of the earlier post in this thread (and others) comparing what was being said about Beck before he played 1/2 of a preseason game and what's being said now. Someone said I reserve the right to change my mind.

Well maybe if the mind was not so prematurely made up, a change would not be necessary.

skinsfaninok · 08-20-2011, 07:38 PM

NFL.com news: Beck shows command of 'Skins system; Browns' McCoy sharp

» John Beck could be an effective starting quarterback for the Redskins. The fifth-year pro was exceptional directing the first-team offense against the Colts. He showed an excellent command of the system, completing 14 of 17 attempts for 140 yards and leading the Redskins to scores on each of his four possessions. Beck frequently located his second and third reads in his progressions. His pocket awareness, anticipation and accuracy were better than anticipated, and he also flashed enough athleticism to be a credible threat on the perimeter. Granted, the effectiveness of the Redskins' run game -- Tim Hightower and Roy Helu combined for 171 yards on 20 carries -- allowed Beck to work comfortably off play-action fakes inside and outside of the pocket. Given his superb execution and production during his first appearance as the starter, it is easy to see why Mike Shanahan is willing to stake his reputation on the unheralded Beck."

Alvin Walton · 08-20-2011, 08:31 PM

So how many SUCK FOR LUCK boys are changing their minds now?

Hog1 · 08-20-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

So how many SUCK FOR LUCK boys are changing their minds now?

THAT'S dirty pool!
Nice....

skinsfaninok · 08-20-2011, 08:51 PM

Luck thing was so dumb

SirClintonPortis · 08-20-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

NFL.com news: Beck shows command of 'Skins system; Browns' McCoy sharp

» John Beck could be an effective starting quarterback for the Redskins. The fifth-year pro was exceptional directing the first-team offense against the Colts. He showed an excellent command of the system, completing 14 of 17 attempts for 140 yards and leading the Redskins to scores on each of his four possessions. Beck frequently located his second and third reads in his progressions. His pocket awareness, anticipation and accuracy were better than anticipated, and he also flashed enough athleticism to be a credible threat on the perimeter. Granted, the effectiveness of the Redskins' run game -- Tim Hightower and Roy Helu combined for 171 yards on 20 carries -- allowed Beck to work comfortably off play-action fakes inside and outside of the pocket. Given his superb execution and production during his first appearance as the starter, it is easy to see why Mike Shanahan is willing to stake his reputation on the unheralded Beck."

Hmm, this Bucky Brooks guy seems to be a good reporter, unlike that JLC fellow.

SkinzWin · 08-20-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Luck thing was so dumb

Not was. Is. And anyone who says differently is a moRON.

CultBrennan59 · 08-20-2011, 10:46 PM

I think that people who are on the 'suck for luck' campaign would counter by telling all the Beck Bandwagoners that it's just one game, against an awful preseason team, for 1 half.

Meks · 08-20-2011, 11:03 PM

Would like to know how he would have done against the Steelers ones.... colts secondary is just .. not good. ... redzone still a concern no matter who the qb is... still I'm no suck for luck rider, and it was, just one half in the pre season against a Indy secondary that is sub par at best.........
I'm gonna keep watching and keep my wait and see attitude ...

natesurfn · 08-20-2011, 11:17 PM

I wouldn't mind the win and trade for Luck alternative. But I assume no one that has the ability to draft Luck will give that up so easily.

Hog1 · 08-20-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

Would like to know how he would have done against the Steelers ones.... colts secondary is just .. not good. ... redzone still a concern no matter who the qb is... still I'm no suck for luck rider, and it was, just one half in the pre season against a Indy secondary that is sub par at best.........
I'm gonna keep watching and keep my wait and see attitude ...

You post a very interesting postion shared by many:
Your position is "it's only one half, still plenty of time for you to suck JB"

To many others is "Great half JB, you might be good at this QB stuff yet".
...........I guess you know what camp you are in?

natesurfn · 08-20-2011, 11:25 PM

In this system JB can be good. With a strong run game and a stout D he can win games. Question is can we stay healthy through 16 games with our playmakers

08-20-2011, 04:43 PM	#482
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: How far can Beck take us? His long ball's problem has been accuracy. Overthrowing his receivers and stuff. But Matt Schaub only averaged 3 long balls(passes that traveled 20+ yards) a game in Kyle Shanahan's last season with the Texans. Also, if you stack the box, it's to stop the run, not the pass. The intermediate passes(around 15 yards) will be there. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

08-20-2011, 07:38 PM	#485
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,172	Re: How far can Beck take us? NFL.com news: Beck shows command of 'Skins system; Browns' McCoy sharp » John Beck could be an effective starting quarterback for the Redskins. The fifth-year pro was exceptional directing the first-team offense against the Colts. He showed an excellent command of the system, completing 14 of 17 attempts for 140 yards and leading the Redskins to scores on each of his four possessions. Beck frequently located his second and third reads in his progressions. His pocket awareness, anticipation and accuracy were better than anticipated, and he also flashed enough athleticism to be a credible threat on the perimeter. Granted, the effectiveness of the Redskins' run game -- Tim Hightower and Roy Helu combined for 171 yards on 20 carries -- allowed Beck to work comfortably off play-action fakes inside and outside of the pocket. Given his superb execution and production during his first appearance as the starter, it is easy to see why Mike Shanahan is willing to stake his reputation on the unheralded Beck." __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

08-20-2011, 08:31 PM	#486
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: How far can Beck take us? So how many SUCK FOR LUCK boys are changing their minds now? __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

08-20-2011, 08:51 PM	#488
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,172	Re: How far can Beck take us? Luck thing was so dumb __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

08-20-2011, 10:46 PM	#491
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: How far can Beck take us? I think that people who are on the 'suck for luck' campaign would counter by telling all the Beck Bandwagoners that it's just one game, against an awful preseason team, for 1 half. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

08-20-2011, 11:03 PM	#492
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 39 Posts: 5,722	Re: How far can Beck take us? Would like to know how he would have done against the Steelers ones.... colts secondary is just .. not good. ... redzone still a concern no matter who the qb is... still I'm no suck for luck rider, and it was, just one half in the pre season against a Indy secondary that is sub par at best......... I'm gonna keep watching and keep my wait and see attitude ... __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

08-20-2011, 11:17 PM	#493
natesurfn Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 81	Re: How far can Beck take us? I wouldn't mind the win and trade for Luck alternative. But I assume no one that has the ability to draft Luck will give that up so easily.

08-20-2011, 11:25 PM	#495
natesurfn Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 81	Re: How far can Beck take us? In this system JB can be good. With a strong run game and a stout D he can win games. Question is can we stay healthy through 16 games with our playmakers __________________ Bobby Three Sticks Wilmington, NC

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