Free Agency/Franchise Tag thread 2011

[skinster]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So Andre Johnson isn't a better red zone option than Santana Moss?

So Malcolm Kelly isn't a better red zone option than Santana Moss?

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by skinster

So Malcolm Kelly isn't a better red zone option than Santana Moss?

Or Devin Thomas. Or Marko Mitchell. Or Brandon Lloyd...

[skinsfaninok]

U can't count MK guys he doesn't even play

[skinster]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

U can't count MK guys he doesn't even play

That's the point that's trying to be made. Skill is more important than physical measurables. If we can get good value on a big bodied WR red zone guy then great, but it is more important to get good value than to reach for a perceived need. Someone that can get separation is better than just a big body.

[NLC1054]

Part of the reason Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were drafted were because of fans consistently complaining about the fact that we had no tall receivers/red zone threats, despite their being much better prospects who have done much more. For as much crap as Dan Snyder gets, he actually sort of does listen to what everyone happens to complaining about at the moment.

So he got a guy who everyone knew was injury prone before the draft because at 6'4", he was one of the tallest wide receivers available, but for some reason picked up one year wonder Devin Thomas before him. And then, he picked a tall tight end in Fred Davis, even though he already had a starting tight end in Chris Cooley, who is also friggin' tall and was ALREADY a red zone threat.

This in a draft where Jordy Nelson, DeSean Jackson, Mario Manningham, Eddie Royal, Pierre Garcon, Stevie Johnson, Early Doucet...all these guys of various shapes and sizes who have had a lot more success than DT and MK. All in the name of finding the mythical "red zone threat", when really address needs other places would've benefited us more.

But alas, this thread is supposed to be about free agency.

...Heh-heh, wouldn't it be funny if DT ended up getting cut by the Giants and ended up back here?

[Alvin Walton]

Malcolm Kelly isnt a better anything.....

[skinsfaninok]

I never said you had to be big to score TDs guys lol I just said it helps.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

Part of the reason Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were drafted were because of fans consistently complaining about the fact that we had no tall receivers/red zone threats, despite their being much better prospects who have done much more. For as much crap as Dan Snyder gets, he actually sort of does listen to what everyone happens to complaining about at the moment.

So he got a guy who everyone knew was injury prone before the draft because at 6'4", he was one of the tallest wide receivers available, but for some reason picked up one year wonder Devin Thomas before him. And then, he picked a tall tight end in Fred Davis, even though he already had a starting tight end in Chris Cooley, who is also friggin' tall and was ALREADY a red zone threat.

This in a draft where Jordy Nelson, DeSean Jackson, Mario Manningham, Eddie Royal, Pierre Garcon, Stevie Johnson, Early Doucet...all these guys of various shapes and sizes who have had a lot more success than DT and MK. All in the name of finding the mythical "red zone threat", when really address needs other places would've benefited us more.

But alas, this thread is supposed to be about free agency.

...Heh-heh, wouldn't it be funny if DT ended up getting cut by the Giants and ended up back here?

I completely agree re: red zone and height. The teams that are best in the red zone are the teams that are best in all other parts of the field.

Height does help in the red zone because of the mismatches it creates with smaller DBs...just like it helps when you're on your own 35 yard line. Mismatches are mismatches. The best mismatch you can have is being a more dominant football player than the guy you are lining up against. And thus, the best way to cash in TDs in the Red Zone is to have a bunch of dominant players, not a bunch of tall guys.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I completely agree re: red zone and height. The teams that are best in the red zone are the teams that are best in all other parts of the field.

Height does help in the red zone because of the mismatches it creates with smaller DBs...just like it helps when you're on your own 35 yard line. Mismatches are mismatches. The best mismatch you can have is being a more dominant football player than the guy you are lining up against. And thus, the best way to cash in TDs in the Red Zone is to have a bunch of dominant players, not a bunch of tall guys.

That's all I was trying to say..

[SBXVII]

I think it has more to do with the opponants CB's and how tall they are. If they are taller then our WR's then balls will get batted away or intercepted. We would be forced to run slants and curls. So it is nice to have tall WR's since most CB's are starting to come out 6' plus.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

Or Devin Thomas. Or Marko Mitchell. Or Brandon Lloyd...

How are you just gonna dis Anthony Mix like that?

[tryfuhl]

Moss will go up for a ball and is pretty good in the red zone when things start to get physical, he just isn't afforded the option very often

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think it has more to do with the opponants CB's and how tall they are. If they are taller then our WR's then balls will get batted away or intercepted. We would be forced to run slants and curls. So it is nice to have tall WR's since most CB's are starting to come out 6' plus.

I think it has everything to do with how good the corners are at covering and how good the receivers are at separating and catching. 10 out of 10 times I'll put a shorter corner on a bigger man in the red zone if he can cover better. Same thing with the receivers. At 5-11 Greg Jennings came in 2nd in TDs in the league with 12. Also at 5-11 theres Darelle Revis, need more be said about him. If skill/speed/hands are the same, height helps, but a shorter better guy is the better option no matter where you are.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinster

I think it has everything to do with how good the corners are at covering and how good the receivers are at separating and catching. 10 out of 10 times I'll put a shorter corner on a bigger man in the red zone if he can cover better. Same thing with the receivers. At 5-11 Greg Jennings came in 2nd in TDs in the league with 12. Also at 5-11 theres Darelle Revis, need more be said about him. If skill/speed/hands are the same, height helps, but a shorter better guy is the better option no matter where you are.

I somewhat agree with you.... I mean look at D.Green, he was short, but he was smart enough to bat the ball or fight for it as the WR was coming down with the ball because of his hight. As long as he stayed close through out the route running he had a chance but your absolutely right it's all about seperation. Short guys would need to stay close in order to knock the ball away where as taller guys can afford to lose a step so long as they can out jump their opponant.

[CultBrennan59]

I really hope that we don't sign Braylon Edwards;
- We don't have a QB, so it's going to be a similar situation as AH
- He gets in trouble with the law (drunk driving, club fights)
- He drops too many catchable balls
- There are better or just as good options out there on the market (Malcolm Floyd)