D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

See, there you go with the homer, rose-colored card that people who want to sit and moan always seem to want to pull out of the back their pants in order to look more "realistic". Here's something that's realistic. DeAngelo Hall is a Pro Bowl player. Deal with it.

You confuse me with somebody who cares? I'm happy for D. Hall, and all the guys that made the pro-bowl. If you want to bitch and complain about us making comments in regards to our players, then expect homer comments. You can cheer on who you like and be happy for them. That doesn't give you the right to question my opinion of such player. That doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan than you are. You chose to see things how you want to, and I chose to see the common view that most people see outside of Redskins nation.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Oh, here we go! Talk about someone who can't read context clues. Hey buddy, you're going out of your way to make yourself look very "Offiss" like. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask someone who's been here since about '04.

Not the "I've been here since 2004" card. Your comparison wasn't remotely in the same ball park, but I guess it is if it suits your argument. A CB that gambles and gets burned/rewarded on a 50/50 basis, isn't the same as a runner that uses the best option each play but can only do so much. D. Hall isn't dependent on 5-7 guys to cover his guy. Barry Sanders relied on 5-7 guys each down to make those runs. It's not the same, and any person with a half a brain knows it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You confuse me with somebody who cares? I'm happy for D. Hall, and all the guys that made the pro-bowl. If you want to bitch and complain about us making comments in regards to our players, then expect homer comments. You can cheer on who you like and be happy for them. That doesn't give you the right to question my opinion of such player. That doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan than you are. You chose to see things how you want to, and I chose to see the common view that most people see outside of Redskins nation.

Well obviously you do, otherwise you wouldn't be going through so much trouble to prove your hatred toward DeAngelo Hall.

For the record, I don't live in Redskins Nation. I'm pretty much closer to Panther Nation.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not the "I've been here since 2004" card. Your comparison wasn't remotely in the same ball park, but I guess it is if it suits your argument. A CB that gambles and gets burned/rewarded on a 50/50 basis, isn't the same as a runner that uses the best option each play but can only do so much. D. Hall isn't dependent on 5-7 guys to cover his guy. Barry Sanders relied on 5-7 guys each down to make those runs. It's not the same, and any person with a half a brain knows it.

Each player is dependent upon each other to do their job no matter if it's offense or if it's defense. If the defensive line isn't doing their job, it's going to make the secondary's job a lot harder. If the safeties aren't doing their jobs, etc...you hopefully get the idea. At least anybody with half a brain could hopefully see where I'm going with this.

[NC_Skins]

Hatred towards D. Hall? That was almost comical. You are probably one of those fans that think the media is out to get the Skins organization to. HATERS!! IF YOU CRITICIZE OUR PLAYERS YOU ARE A HATER!!! Next you'll be saying "if you were a true fan".

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Each player is dependent upon each other to do their job no matter if it's offense or if it's defense. If the defensive line isn't doing their job, it's going to make the secondary's job a lot harder. If the safeties aren't doing their jobs, etc...you hopefully get the idea. At least anybody with half a brain could hopefully see where I'm going with this.

No, each player is dependent on each other to make the unit as a whole, that doesn't mean that every position is dependent on another to be successful. So a CB needs DL in order for him to cover a WR? Might be the first time time in football I've ever heard of that. Unfortunately for you, just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. A CB doesn't need the defensive line to cover the man he's on. Are they chipping that WR off the line? No, nobody can see where you are going because you are using a bad analogy trying to make your point. If this were a LB we were talking about, you would have a point.

It's obvious that you are just going to argue for the sake of arguing. You are bringing no facts or stats to the table, only sing bad analogies. We'll end this here and agree to disagree.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hatred towards D. Hall? That was almost comical. You are probably one of those fans that think the media is out to get the Skins organization to. HATERS!! IF YOU CRITICIZE OUR PLAYERS YOU ARE A HATER!!! Next you'll be saying "if you were a true fan".

Oh geez dude...if you like the guy, I hate to see how you treat your enemies.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, each player is dependent on each other to make the unit as a whole, that doesn't mean that every position is dependent on another to be successful.

Here is what I said: [I]Each player is dependent upon each other to do their job no matter if it's offense or if it's defense.[/I] That's what I got through saying Einstein.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So a CB needs DL in order for him to cover a WR? Might be the first time time in football I've ever heard of that. Unfortunately for you, just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. A CB doesn't need the defensive line to cover the man he's on. Are they chipping that WR off the line? No, nobody can see where you are going because you are using a bad analogy trying to make your point. If this were a LB we were talking about, you would have a point.

You obviously completely misunderstood my point, but I have a feeling you're just not worth the effort.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's obvious that you are just going to argue for the sake of arguing. You are bringing no facts or stats to the table, only sing bad analogies. We'll end this here and agree to disagree.

You must've been looking the mirror when you typed that last line. Only thing I will agree with you on is to disagree. Tell Offiss I said hello!

[NC_Skins]

I never said I liked or disliked D. Hall. I just want D. Hall to be consistent. Not be incredible for 2 games, and be shitty for 4 or more. It takes more than making that incredible play (which he has) to win me over. Again, I thought Carlos Rogers did better in coverage this year than D. Hall. However, Rogers isn't anywhere near the play maker than Hall is and his next contract will most likely reflect that. I think D. Hall believes he's a better CB than was he is, and not due to lack of talent, but lack of discipline and effort. (the numbers prove this)

He reminds me of Lavar Arrington. He too thought he was better than what he really was and also made those Pro-Bowls based off those amazing plays. What you didn't find out till later that it was his lack of discipline at his position and freelancing is what cost the team games and eventually his starting spot in the rotation. (even backed up by former teammates) To the average fan, he was a pro-bowler and the team's best defensive player. Hence my statement about difference between perception and reality.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You must've been looking the mirror when you typed that last line. Only thing I will agree with you on is to disagree. Tell Offiss I said hello!

You got me bro.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I never said I liked or disliked D. Hall. I just want D. Hall to be consistent. Not be incredible for 2 games, and be shitty for 4 or more. It takes more than making that incredible play (which he has) to win me over. Again, I thought Carlos Rogers did better in coverage this year than D. Hall. However, Rogers isn't anywhere near the play maker than Hall is and his next contract will most likely reflect that. I think D. Hall believes he's a better CB than was he is, and not due to lack of talent, but lack of discipline and effort. (the numbers prove this)

And again, I never said that D. Hall is the greatest, but I give him props on being voted to the Pro Bowl. Doesn't matter what you consider perspective or reality, the reality was/is, he was voted to the Pro Bowl making him a Pro Bowl CB this year. Plain and simple. Argue the numbers all you like, but that's the fact and that's what I am trying to say. He might stink it up next year, might make it to another Pro Bowl. Who knows? But I'll keep saying it, I'll give any Redskins player props who is considered for a high personal honor.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He reminds me of Lavar Arrington. He too thought he was better than what he really was and also made those Pro-Bowls based off those amazing plays. What you didn't find out till later that it was his lack of discipline at his position and freelancing is what cost the team games and eventually his starting spot in the rotation. (even backed up by former teammates) To the average fan, he was a pro-bowler and the team's best defensive player. Hence my statement about difference between perception and reality.

Lavar was great until he got injured and freelancing isn't always a bad thing in certain defenses, it just didn't work in Gregg Williams' defense. By the time he got to NY, he was already washed up. He never fully recovered from his injury. But, I won't say he didn't deserve Pro Bowl honors when he was voted in. I won't take that away from the guy, but I recognized when his career was over.