Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way

He probably thought we would get Vincent Jackson. LOL.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way

But he knows football. He's a perfect analyst...



....for BleacherReport.

:FIREdevil

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

You guys above can pretend if you want,that we made the right move and hopefully we did.

But lets hope we aren't discussing this again when we lose to the titans 31-17 and Moss has 6 catches for 158 yards and 2 TD's cause we can't cover him.
OK?

I think it was a 'terrible" football decision,to not claim moss.

Now,the titans will be getting a compensatory pick as well,when they decide to let Moss walk next season and probably net a 3rd rounder or so...

Something,we also need. Draft picks to build this team.

This wasn't a bad move...this was a very stupid..STUPID decision,to not claim him off waivers. imo

but you know football, right? I mean, this team is going 14-2 this year.... Oh wait...

[aceinthehouse]

ace is pissed so lets bring out the "aceinthehouse predicts Skins to go 14-2 crowd,so lets dump on him"...

If it makes you guys feel better..ok

I had already weighed the risks and rewards of picking up Moss.
The risks were minimal imo..and the rewards were huge and this is why I'm so upset.

I would not have been upset had dallas,Rams or the Bills or someone in front of us on the claims list,had got him and we didn't. We had no control over that...I understand that.

I also understand we had to pick up the 3.3+ million or whtever it is for 8 games as well.
I even also understand that Moss's contract with new england..then minny..then whoever claimed him...had a "NO franchise TAG" in his contract.

So we would had to let him go or give him a new contract outright...something we probably would not want to do. OK...

Of course,that's assuming there's any football at all next season from the labor Lockout...OK

So lets look at the RISKS and REWARDS for claiming Randy Moss...OK?

Risks:
#1)There's the chance that Moss spouts off to the media again or causes a problem inside the locker room and forces us to release him thus...leaving us on the hook for the 3.3 million salary for the rest of this uncapped season. OK..?
#2)There's the chance that Moss plays half ass or doesn't give his 100% on field, thus alienating guys on the team who are working their butt off. OK?
#3)We will have to release a player from the team to claim Randy Moss. Probably a WR like Roydell Williams or the 38 year old old Joey Galloway to stay with the 53 man roster. OK?
#4)He will have a little less than 2 weeks to learn a West Coast Kyle Shanahan playbook,that requires not only effort,but good precision routes. Something Moss is capable of,but not always inclined to do,unless he knows he's getting the ball. OK?

These are probably the biggest 4 things,that I believe were on most people's minds of being a risk in having Randy Moss on this football team.

Rewards:
#1)Moss is a sure HOFer...a proven commodity...a 1st ballot. Some believe the 2nd greatest WR behind jerry rice and he has the NFL records to back up those claims. He's had an amazing career.. He's a proven commodity and not some "flash in the pan" type of player. OK?
#2)Moss is widely considered by the NFL as a pretty good run blocker. Probably mostly do to his 6'4" 210 lb frame and less about his effort. OK? But this is one of those things that "I" know..that some may not or don't recognize off hand.
#3)Despite his favorite "9 route" or fade or streak he likes to run,he also is good over the middle as well. He runs the slant very well and provides a big frame for the QB to hit.
#4)Probably the best "over the top" wr ever in the game. He made Revis island his Bxxxx early in the year with that 1-handed grab,but this is something he's done his whole career. The only player I EVER saw stop him 1-on-1 in a true battle for the ball over the top,was our very own and late..Sean Taylor. Simply put..you can't cover him 1-on-1 on the long ball,if the ball is reasonably on the mark. You just can't.
#5)Moss is so scary...that he actually makes the other players look good. Did you see how Percy Harvin exploded when Moss came aboard? You have to roll your coverage over to his side...he opens up the middle of the field for the TE and he allows more running lanes because there's more focus on his deep ball and he requires a D-coord. to respect that. Yes,even at 33 years old.
Just the addition of Moss alone,would have taken pressure off of Santana Moss,Armstrong,Cooley and anyone else running patterns to get open or for 1-on-1 coverage against a LB or to our advantage. Because Moss alone,forces the Defense hands in covering him. He also takes that 6th,7th or 8th man out of the box in stopping the run,into coverage and for successful running plays.
#6)Moss is a TD scoring machine. He can turn the game around on 1 throw and can do it at any time,when he's on the field. He also has very good hands and rarely drops the ball. His concentration on catching it..(when the effort is there) is remarkable.
#7)Having Moss in our final 8 games,could have really allowed our offense to stretch the field. It would have opened things up for Mcnabb as well as our running game. Yea,our o-line can't block,but maybe we could have ran quick screens or slants to Moss with his big frame. All of our players are fairly little guys...He would have allowed us to create mismatches on the field in his talent alone. We made not have been an explosive juggernaut with Moss,but we definately could have used his talent alone in creating mismatches and to take a little pressure off of mcnabb in having a big target as well as little moss and other players.
#8)Even though we would most likely had him for only 8 games and he would be gone,there's always the possibility of him building a friendship here in that time and wanting to stay for another year. This would also have allowed us to focus on other areas of need in next years draft. Specially considering we no longer have a 3rd or 4th rounder to use. There's also the chance that had we let him go somewhere else,where he got a different contract,that we would have got some compensation for his loss. As high as a 3rd rounder and as low as a 7th rounder..depending on his new contract and circumstances. So that part is awesome.
#9)..And last..he would have helped in making a playoff push in these final 8 tough games. But not just that...He would be a nice addition in the playoffs as well with his experience and big play ability. The last time Mcnabb had a HOF type of WR..they were in the SB,so I guess anything is possible. Yet,Mcnabb and Moss don't have that Mcnabb and TO history either...It would be fresh..

So you guys can make fun of me.."aceinthehouse" and the guy who predicted a 14-2 season,if it makes you feel cool or better...

But I'm saying this was a mistake and we should have claimed this guy for the reward imo outweighing the risk.

So not only are we still asking ourselves questions on the direction of this team from the Shanny/Mcnabb fiasco last Sunday and the Locker room..(go figure..lol)

But now we have to face an already tough Titans team in 3 weeks who are very good and have beat the other 3 NFC east teams already. Now we face them with Randy Moss. And we haven't been that great in stopping these kind of Players...in case you haven't noticed?

So call me an idiot or a fool or whatever....but i'll take my 21 years of football experience and 7 years of coaching experience over any of the Warpath wanna be warlords on here who know better on any subject and call me out to be some fool because I thought we would go 14-2 with the new roster and coaching staff we had,before the season was even underway from hope of many bad seasons.

I'm telling you..I know my football..and this was a bad decision.
I hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the ass.
We may very well,need that titans game for a 9th win to make the Playoffs and 1 non decision could in reality affect the course of time when Moss lights our ass up for 200 yards receiving and 3 TD's. (when he should be on our team)

We had the claim ahead of them @ #15...
This was a stupid low risk-high reward NON-move by Shanny
and he failed..

Lets HOPE he's the coach ,we all HOPE he is!! Or was...

[SirClintonPortis]

SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Ace you're going off the deep end

[Giantone]

Ace you have also seem to have forgoten that ...Randy Moss....takes playes off and only plays when he wants , wasn't it against the Skins some years ago ...he just walked off the field becuase the game was "over"???

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Ace are you onky going to refer to yourself in the 3rd person now??

[aceinthehouse]

Yes,I'm losing my mind.

It's like knowing you got screwed,but not being able to do anything about it.
Which is what happened today...

Hopefully,i'm wrong and we go on to win 9 or 10 games and make the Playoffs...
But with the redskins luck...
Well..you guys know the story

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick.

Here's another link on that

Ask PFW: Moss trade fallout

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

but you know football, right? I mean, this team is going 14-2 this year.... Oh wait...

You know what's crazy? He already had us losing to the Titans in his 14-2 prediction this summer.

[MonkFan4Life]

Hey Ace you're alright with me man. I wanted Moss too. I like the fact that you stick to your guns, your posts run a little lengthy sometimes but shit I read most of this while I'm at work so it helps pass the time. It's funny how we cry all day about how we don't have weapons but we don't want to take a chance on a guy when he's out there. Why ? Because we always think the worst, I mean we're Redskins fans if we don't think that every decision is a mistake then we don't know football right ? We'd just be drinking the kool-aid, believing the hype, or sucking the tit of The Danny. I wanted Moss and he didn't get here...oh well.

On to next week I guess.

[Mechanix544]

I would have liked to have gotten him. The one thing McNabb does with ANY accuracy is throw the deep ball...........and remind me again, what does Randy like to run? What route is his bread and butter? What route would stretch the field, and thin out the coverage for Santana and Cooley? Who could give our running game a hand, especially when our Line couldnt block a frikkin blow up doll?

This was a low risk, high reward scenario if there ever was one, and in the worst case, he gets here and was the head case we all know he can be, then we bench his ass, and get a 4th or 5th round pick, FOR FREE basically, for the trouble.

Wrong move Shanny, but I should expect nothing less from a guy that lies out of his arse about McNabb not being in shape to run a 2 minute offense, just to put Rex FVCKIN Grossman in the game.

Really sick and tired of all the blind faith in this man. I think we all expected our defense to suffer a bit when he took the reigns, but WORST IN THE LEAGUE?? Gimme a break. If not for the turnovers, we are 2-6. We are a VERY lucky 4-4, and in my opinion, will only win 3 more games this season if Shanahan doesn't shore up that o-line and run defense.

I think its about to get ridiculous for the second half of the season.

[skinsnut]

I don't think fans expressing their dissatisfaction with the Skins Front Office about passing on a hall of fame WR that was put in their lap is going off the deep end.
Especially when you mortgage the future for an aging QB to make the playoffs now and WR is a glaring position of need.

If any team needed Randy Moss right now...it was the Skins.
Fans have a right to be pissed. Especially since we were so hopeful that Shanny was an amazing coach and Allen was an incredible GM.

The blinders all suddenly off now...blind faith is now gone due to Shanny's ridiculous behavior this week and we are all shocked to realize what many said about him is true...the same goes for McNabb...although I think none of us had the beer goggles on thinking Haslett was amazing.

Even though I predicted 7-9, I was hopeful for future years due to the new FO structure.
The way it is looking, this may take longer than I thought since Shanny obviously wants a different QB and is also unwilling to be able to manage star players with egos anywhere close to his own. (yet they signed Larry Johnson)

This whole thing seems to be about Shanny's ego...McNabb, Haynesworth, Portis.

So many of you that say you are glad to not have Randy Moss may be right...for one reason...I don't think Shanny had the ability to coach Randy Moss without pissing him off too.

That is sad...I thought Shanny is some sort of coaching Guru?
Last I knew...coaching was more than X's and O's....it involves MOTIVATING players, individual players with individual personalities...

Ask yourself this question...why is it the star players that Shanny tends to piss off?
Interesting huh?
Does Shanny need ALL the attention?
Sheesh!

And regarding another post...I would think Gibbs would give Randy Moss a shot in this situation...he is extremely competitive and would want a playoff run and he would be one of the few coaches that would be able to make Moss happy and want to play his guts out for him.

It is just a shame that Shanny does not have that ability or desire.

[SmootSmack]

McNabb has not been all that accurate on his deep throws this year, Armstrong and Moss have both done excellent jobs adjusting to passes

If not for turnovers we'd be 2-6 is like saying if Blackwood doesn't slip and fail to tackle Riggins we lose SB XVII. Blackwood didn't tackle Riggins and we did get turnovers. Why? Because Riggo stiff-armed Blackwood and we made plays to get the ball. These things weren't accidents that were gift-wrapped to us. Give our guys some credit. And stop calling it luck

Randy Moss wouldn't have really done much for our OL woes, and nothing for our run defense

Randy Moss is most likely a sure-fire 1st ballot HOF, but this isn't 2002. Where he'll be 5 years after he retires has nothing to do with what he can contribute now

And on and on...