Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinster

Its a shame things didnt work out. He's our only good d-lineman (I know someone will go off about how Adam Carriker or some other player no coach wants starting is amazing...save your breath, you can't convince me). We need an impact player on the line, I feel like we do need him alot, but if we let him go I wont be THAT upset. If the coach feels there is a need for him to go, then there's probably a need for him to go, and I trust him in his decision making.

I feel the same way. Late in the season when injuries set in, as they always do and we need a stout difference maker on the D line to collaspe the pocket in a critical 3rd down pass play, we might live to regret dumping him. I am not talking about a big body to clog the middle. Hayensworth fills that role, non of of other DL can run over another top OL.
I want us to be careful not become Vinny Cerrato-like having a million WR's thinking a young WR is the magic pill that will solve all of our problems and no depth at other positions.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I feel the same way. Late in the season when injuries set in, as they always do and we need a stout difference maker on the D line to collaspe the pocket in a critical 3rd down pass play, we might live to regret dumping him. I am not talking about a big body to clog the middle. Hayensworth fills that role, non of of other DL can run over another top OL.
I want us to be careful not become Vinny Cerrato-like having a million WR's thinking a young WR is the magic pill that will solve all of our problems and no depth at other positions.

That makes (by my count) three of us. As much of pain in the ass Albert Haynesworth is, I shudder to think what our run defense is going to look like this year without him. Judging by what we've seen through exhibition, if I'm an opponent of the Redskins this year, all I do is run, run, and run some more. Run it right down their throats.

Then you have to examine what impact his loss will be to the double digit sack totals we had last year with Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo.

Sometimes you have to put up with the talented problem child to win in this league.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That makes (by my count) three of us. As much of pain in the ass Albert Haynesworth is, I shudder to think what our run defense is going to look like this year without him. Judging by what we've seen through exhibition, if I'm an opponent of the Redskins this year, all I do is run, run, and run some more. Run it right down their throats.

Then you have to examine what impact his loss will be to the double digit sack totals we had last year with Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo.

Sometimes you have to put up with the talented problem child to win in this league.

We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.

Well said.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.

Preach....I'd be, already am, very nervous about lining up Maake at NT for considerable time. From what I saw this summer, he's not ready. Don't know if it's that he's not fully healthy or what but if the Skins do plan on shipping Big Al out I hope they have another plan other than Maake

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Preach....I'd be, already am, very nervous about lining up Maake at NT for considerable time. From what I saw this summer, he's not ready. Don't know if it's that he's not fully healthy or what but if the Skins do plan on shipping Big Al out I hope they have another plan other than Maake

And it is not just Maake, the other starters as well Carriker (injury history), Golsten (not a big power guy, more of a speed guy) and the rest of our DL are not going to strike fear. Our Opponents at the moment only have to scheme and account for Orakpo and Haynesworth on obvious passing downs. Why do we want to get rid of someone that provides this good situation? Cause we do not like his personalty?
We talk about being an agressiv defense and dictating to offenses, Carriker, Maake and Golsten do not provide the level of physical play that will dictate to offenses and can make this system potentially fail or not achieve its goals. This system counts on pass rushers and disruptive style players like Haynesworth.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

And it is not just Maake, the other starters as well Carriker (injury history), Golsten (not a big power guy, more of a speed guy) and the rest of our DL are not going to strike fear. Our Opponents at the moment only have to scheme and account for Orakpo and Haynesworth on obvious passing downs. Why do we want to get rid of someone that provides this good situation? Cause we do not like his personalty?
We talk about being an agressiv defense and dictating to offenses, Carriker, Maake and Golsten do not provide the level of physical play that will dictate to offenses and can make this system potentially fail or not achieve its goals. This system counts on pass rushers and disruptive style players like Haynesworth.

I'd think they'd look to PD a lot in the middle. I also wonder if they'd reach back out to Anthony Montgomery. He's in the UFL right now, not sure what the rules are as far as him being able to leave for an NFL team if the UFL season hasn't started yet.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd think they'd look to PD a lot in the middle. I also wonder if they'd reach back out to Anthony Montgomery. He's in the UFL right now, not sure what the rules are as far as him being able to leave for an NFL team if the UFL season hasn't started yet.

Montgomery? Don't make me laugh.
We can re-sigh Ramsey and Betts as well.
Cerratto would be next.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd think they'd look to PD a lot in the middle. I also wonder if they'd reach back out to Anthony Montgomery. He's in the UFL right now, not sure what the rules are as far as him being able to leave for an NFL team if the UFL season hasn't started yet.

Funny you should ask. Listening to Sirius NFL radio the other day and Jim Fassel was on (HC of some UFL team) basically if the UFL has started thier training camp then an NFL team cannot sign a UFL player until the UFL season is over.

So if the UFL is not in training camp but a player is signed to a UFL roster he can opt out of the UFL contract and come to the NFL.

Once training camp is underway the player is locked into the UFL contract until the end of thier season.

I am not sure if the player in the UFL is locked in until thier team is done playing example being if the team did not make the playoffs is he locked in until the UFL playoff period is over.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We will be vulnerable if he is dumped for low round picks.
That is exactly right.

Some people may not know but John Riggins was banished from the Jets for being a douchebag flake and he came here and was floundering until Gibbs arrived. Riggins even sat out a year in dispute with the team before Gibbs arived.
Dave Butz never ever participated in any offseason work outs or weight lifting regimen or Kumbaya events even though new coach Gibbs had just showed up and rallied everyone but Butz and Riggins to participate.
By todays' Shanahan standards they would be called malcontents and be black balled. Gibbs accepted them as is and won. There is no right and wrong in dealing with very talented problem childs just right and left.

Truth...
I said it before. This notion that you have to treat everyone the same and manage them all similarly is garbage. Good managers manage people individually. Obviously Shanny wants to turn some things around. But I doubt at this point any player would mistakenly believe that the inmates are running the joint if Shanny gave in a little to get the situation on the tracks.