McNabb a REDSKIN!

[Skins4L]

You know what... I dont LOVE IT...but i sure as hell like it.

Big Things i see ahead.

[tryfuhl]

this dude is a fucking nut lololol

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Interesting, the Redskins have been involved in all these big time in-conference trades:

That was a weak list. Why wasn't Drew Bledsoe added or even Joe Montana if you're talking in conference.

[Landry44]

I can't see how any of you think this is a good move.

[Skins4L]

I can see McNabb finding Cooley alot next year.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Stuff like Gradkowski>Campbell is low-hanging fruit. I do not want to hear what does and does not tell the "whole story" when you're just flat out lying to me.

You can't claim self-evidence as logical support when your arguments are entirely faith based. I'll do you the courtesy of not accepting your failures here as support for my arguments validity, and I wouldn't jump to a conclusion and rule out the fact that there's genius in this move that neither of us can see, but I'm just going to reject most if not all of your premises here as some mix of false and insignificant.

I don't consider it significant that McNabb has experience in the Reid WCO, seeing as the only defense for this trade would be that Shanahan is going to use him more optimally.

I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).

Faith in Shanahan, faith in Shanahan, anybody but Campbell, "trust the process". Got it.

Boo-hoo. Shanahan's track record and with QBs and the abilities those QBs had is why I'm going all gaga for McNabb. McNabb has mobility, arm strength, ability to attack the deep secondary, and the ability to extend the play. He may not be BETTER than the two HOFs and Cutler, but he sure as hell should be able to run the system just fine, and certainly better than Campbell.

Gradkowski>Campbell is emprically based. They're roughly the same, but Gradkowski wins in terms of pocket presence and decision making. The dropoff from him and Russell was enormous.

You're assuming Campbell is like a monster sponge in terms of acquiring human capital for QB'ing such that he can comparably compete with folks in the top tier or near-top tier of QBs. I'll wait to see the day he undergoes such a miraculous transformation. However, if he's to "burst out" in such a manner, then all of those "just as adequate" arguments fall by the wayside since he improved in such a manner that he's went "up" into a higher status.

You argue that the benefit of acquiring McNabb is only slightly more than Campbell, and thus not worth the cost. This assumes extreme degradation in McNabb's human capital. I find it highly doubtful Campbell, or any other football player, has such a capacity to learn "quarterbacking" such that he'll suddenly explode onto the scene somewhere. He may be adequate, but he's not indispensible.

Deep plays are low percentage by nature. Even so, the Eagles are sure committed to attempting those big plays. I wonder why. Perhaps it emphasizes the QB's strengths? Strengths that would translate in the the Shanahan big play offense? Exactly. McNabb fits the profile better than Campbell.


We'll see bootlegs. Don't worry about it faith based. After all, having two Broncos games on my computer surely means all those rollouts called were just an anomaly. Surely a rare deviation from the straight drop back and pass playcalls.

Besides, it's not like other QBs Shanny coached had some ability to make plays with their mobility...or is it? Plummer, Cutler, Young, and Elway all could move around in the pocket adequately and scramble. Campbell is a pocket passer, McNabb can scramble "naturally".

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

McNabb can best be described as a good athlete, but he's definitely got some of the heaviest feet in the league. He's been above the league in sack rate just twice in his career, and once in a 10+ game season.

He's basically no improvement on Campbell in terms of pocket presence. I hear Bruce Gradkowski is available though, should we decide to run the chuck and duck.

This can be condensed into the following conditional.
"If a QB is sacked frequently, then he has slow feet."

This does not reflect the tape of QBs like Elway or Young, as they both had their fair share of 30+ sack seasons. Thusly, this If...then statement does not hold.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

I can see McNabb finding Cooley alot next year.

Yeah seriously. I found some interesting parallels.

Moss - Jackson: Jackson is much better right now in terms of ability however Moss is better at reading defenses. Both are speedsters that can break big plays.
Advantage - Jackson

Maclin vs Thomas: Is this really a contest. Maybe we'll come back in a year and look on it but for now it's like expecting to spin gold from straw.
Advantage - Maclin

Kelly vs Curtis: Curtis isn't good enough to be a top 2 reciever in Philly but his track record makes him more attractive
Advantage - Curtis

Cooley vs Celek: You might be thinking who? Yeah this is the guy that put up 971 yards and 8 TD's last year. Cooley has a longer track record and a lot less stability at the QB position. And certainly we can all agree that Shanahan isn't going to drag his feet on the best TE prospect he's had in years. Then again maybe he gets traded.
Advantage - Cooley

[Dirtbag59]

Skins Offense:

LT - OKKKKKUNNNGGG!!!
LG Dockery
C- Rabach
RG - BMW
RT - Hicks

WR - Moss/Kelly
WR - Thomas/Mitchell

TE - Cooley/Davis

QB - McNabb

RB - Johnson/Parker/Portis/some Rookie

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah Kalisto, you really hit on why this is such a bad decision.

I never said it was a bad decision. You fail at reading comprehension. I'm just bummed I couldn't be here to discuss it with you all when the news broke.

How dare they not consider your signature in our player personnel discussions.

Seriously dude are you that imbecilic? Let me translate this for you since you're to inept to comprehend what I meant. "I guess I have to change my signature to Team Okung now Meaning, ready for this.. "Since we're good at QB, it's time I throw my support behind getting a OL"

So please stop putting words in my mouth.

[Kalisto2010]

GTripp0012I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).
.

I going to demonstrate right here and now why no one should listen to anything you have to say when it comes to football. When it comes to balls of of 21+ yards McNabb has a QB rating of 100(According to ESPN). So when you say he doesn't complete many of his deep balls it's total bullshit.

[jdc65]

Yea, if Okung is there, it's a no brainer. But, what if he is gone?

[SirClintonPortis]

Mcnabb is actually 9/18 for passes that traveled 30+ yards. Pretty damn good at getting it to his guy so far away. Now before anyone brings up his abysmal 2008 stats in the same categories, I do recall Jackson dropping a perfect deep ball against us in the second Iggles game that season.

Also, he produced similar numbers to JC17 in FEWER GAMES. Hell, if he had thrown for 200 yds in the games he didn't play, he would have be closing in on a 4000 yard season .

[diehard]

McNabb is not Brett Farve. Yes, he will win us more games than Campbell but, this team is no better than past PHI teams so, why think McNabb will put tbe Skins over the top? Skins will draft a QB!

[Son Of Man]

MNabb may not bring us a SB championship, but he brings our offense instant validity. Although we do not have an apparent top flight receiving corps, I do recall #5 playing the Iggles into Division Titles slinging to the likes of Freddie Mitchell and Todd Pinkston. I think he could do good things with Moss/Thomas/Kelly and a coach who wants to run the football.