Campbell: 'It's just totally different than it used to be'

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I can guarantee you that Jason Campbell isn't looking over his shoulder at Rex Grossman or anyone else currently on the roster.

Yeah, I tried to think about this being a possibility but I can't. In his best year he completed 54% of his passes and barely got over 3,000 yards passing while starting all 16 games, then proceeded to be average in the playoffs en route to the Super Bowl.

And don't give me that winner crap, that has to easily be the most overrated stat in all of all of football, especially given the team nature of the game. I mean Drew Brees was one of the best QB's in the league during 2008, throwing for over 5,000 yards and posting a 96 QB rating, yet the Saints were 8-8. Does that mean that Brees was an average QB that year?

Anyway the point is Grossman seems like a decent backup that knows the system but at this point I'd be much more comfortable with Jason behind center. I will say this though about Grossman, he's got a hell of an arm, especially when he's accurate, unfortunately he's only accurate about half the time.

[Hog1]

You know, things are very simple. When we get an Oline and a receiver or two that can perform like successful professionals, we will have JC performing like a successful professional QB.........
AND if he is NOT the long term answer......there are plenty of em' comin' down the Pike?
like Rockville Pike

[12thMan]

Truth is anyone can have one magical season. Can Grossman prove the naysayers wrong and prove that he's still a starting QB in this league? Of course he can. We've seen that story too many times in the NFL. As a kid I watched Doug Williams leave Tampa Bay, come to D.C. after his career was supposedly over, and get a second life with the Redskins. The rest is history. Jim Plunkett got bounced from the New England Patriots, later released by the 49ers, and landed in Oakland at the age of 33 only to take the Oakland Raiders to two Super Bowls. Craig Morton and Kurt Warner are other names that come to mind. So it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities that Rex Grossman can come here and put it all together.

But let's say, for a minute, that Campbell pulls a hammy at the beginning of the season and has to miss four or five games. I think Rex Grossman is totally capable of going on a four game tear and lighting up the stat column. I'm just not convinced that he can do it for an entire season. I'm glad he's on the roster though because if we do draft Clausen or trade Campbell, I feel comfortable with Grossman being able to step in immediately and running the offense. I just don't see him being able to beat out Campbell in a head-to-head competition.

[Lotus]

^ Nope, Grossman does not seem like he will supplant JC. But you are correct: Rexy has significant starting experience and can take over reasonably well for short stretches. All of that is helpful for making a decent backup. However, over longer periods, Good Rex will make us cheer, while Bad Rex will make us

[duetsch215]

you know what really pisses me off? When people say that he was a disappointment last year. He got a huge contract with a new team. He had an "off" year but so did the entire team.

[DBUCHANON101]

Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.

[Dirtbag59]

This video has been going around the fan base lately. It's made from a clearly bias point of view but it does raise some interesting points.

[tryfuhl]

ouch haha

[GusFrerotte]

What do you expect him to say? Come on now I am a Skins fan in Detroit. Lions say this type of crap all the time whenever a new regime is installed. Oh it is so different, new, more efficient, blah, blah, blah. It is like a kid with a shiny new toy. Hype city to get the fans way excited so they can fork over the cash in great anticipation about the return to greatness. They did this crap with Spurrier and Gibbs II. Shoot they even got folks creaming their pants with Zorn! I say enough already! Give Coach Shanahan 2-3 years and see what he does, but don't set your expectations sky high from the get go. Shanny and Allen have a major rehaul to do. The Skins are like a nice Shelby Mustang with a lousy 4 cylinder in it and Shanny and Allen are trying to replace it with a .302. It is a big job that will take time, and nobody knows for sure if they will do it yet. I am betting they will, but it will take a good 3 years in my opinion.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.

IF JC has a solid season he will find work as a starter somewhere for sure. The QBing in the NFL overall sucks.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.

Well lets put it this way, I've had players I've backed no matter what....(cough, Mason, cough) and although I think he looks to have the talent and skills, either the Skins were not a good fit for him or he simply lacked the ability to utilize it when it counted. But my homerism got in the way. I see the same issue with some fans regarding JC. After 5 yrs with marginal improvement across the board I think the owner on down is done with JC. Right now both need each other though. The team needs a QB who can get the job done, if its a Rookie then JC will be expendable, if the Rookie is not ready then JC is the back up plan B until said Rookie is ready. No matter what Grossman is the Vet ready to be put in. Colt and Bartel are the unknowns.

JC needs to have a really good season under a really good system in order to get a good contract. Otherwise teams are going to look at him as a back up and pay him like one. Thats our problem right now, although his stats were kinda good teams have game field and JC just doesn't impress them. Otherwise he would have been traded for a 1st round draft pick by now.

I'm still under the believe that there will be some kinda trade involving JC and draft picks and maybe a player to the Rams in order to move up for Bradford.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Whether or not the Washington Redskins take a QB with their first draft pick, it would appear that Jason Campbell doesn't have much of a future with the team, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

Reid notes that the team will most likely have Campbell under center for the 2010 season, but that the new regime will begin developing their future franchise QB as well. It's not all bad for Jason, though. If he can put up a good performance -- in spite of having to learn yet another offense -- he'll draw quite a bit of attention in free agency next offseason.

Lest we forget how we got Soup, this from the Wapo and Tracee Hamilton who never met an opionion that she didn't like:

Wash Post side-stepping a great story?
Noticed on Redskins Insider today a brief overview of the Skins picks when in the top 10 of the draft.

Why is the Wash Post and most of the DC sports media sidestepping the greatest irony and bust of past Redskins first round picks -- the fiasco of Gibbs and Snyder giving up 3 picks in 2005 for Jason Campbell (2 of 3 eventually in the probowl, Cutler and Brandon Marshall).

And the irony? The downside of course is that Campbell hasn't come close to the Pro Bowl game unless he bought tickets. And these valuable picks were dealt to the same person that is selecting for the Skins this year, Shanahan.

"Why is the Post afraid of this great story of a 1st round deal gone really bad and its underlying irony?

Thanks, love your columns.

– March 31, 2010 9:35 AM Permalink
A.Tracee Hamilton writes:
Well, you make a good point. That was a lot to give up for Jason Campbell, who is a middle-of-the-pack quarterback, no question. But compared to the guys I mentioned about, Patrick Ramsey and Heath Shuler, he's Peyton Manning. It was a bad move, probably, but they've done worse things with their draft picks.

Heath Shuler. I'll never get over that one."

[SBXVII]

^ wow. that puts things into perspective. LOL.

[Dirtbag59]

Ok, as much as I'm unsure about JC the fact of the matter is that we really gave up two picks to draft him. Part of the risk in drafting him was having a much higher pick next year (we were picking 9th overall). In the end it cost us a third rounder, a fourth rounder, and 3 spots in the first round (we would have been 22nd overall in 2006). So in the end the first round pick itself was essentially a wash leaving us spending only two picks to draft a QB a year early, which is usually not a bad idea given the amount of time needed to develop a QB.

Still I'm tired of hearing that we gave up "three picks to select JC." If you count the pick used to select him then sure, but other then that the answer is no.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

This video has been going around the fan base lately. It's made from a clearly bias point of view but it does raise some interesting points.

It's not that the plays in the video are taken out of context. It's about understanding the way JC plays the game. At the end of the day (and his career) he's nothing more than a rhythm passer. When in a rhythm he makes solid throws and decisions (not superior throws and decisions like Peyton Manning for instance who I also consider a rhythm QB). However, Jason falls out of rhythm early and often, and at that point he becomes almost completely ineffective until somehow his rhythm is reestablished.

I don't have a problem keeping him on the roster. Jason is very tough and basically an average guy back there. However, I have NO DOUBT he will be benched this season at some point. The questions are 1) who will Shanny turn to first, Colt, Rex or someone not yet on the roster and 2) will Jason ever become the starter again?

My hope is Colt gets the first shot, and my gut tells me Jason doesn't start again for the B & G. In fact I'll be surprised if he starts in the NFL ever again after this season.