Mega-Merge: 2010 Free Agency Rumors and Reports Thread

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

It's hard to say. Can you call either one of them the definitive starter? Probably not. I'd take Portis over Parker at this point, assuming clean bill of health from each. Don't know that we'll take an RB high enough to guarantee a start. We'll address the position but I don't think that we'll end up with THAT guy.

We're definitely going to need someone to share the load with Portis whether it be Parker or a player to be named later. As we all know, gone are the days when it could be expected for one back to carry a sixteen game load alone. We're going to give Parker a look see, but in the final analysis our options at RB could be limitless. Would like to see us get younger at the position because durability is always an issue with RB's, youth should serve us better.

[ChickenMonkey]

Beat writer Mark Gaughan speculates that veteran FS Donte Whitner could be on the trading block.

Whitner played behind George Wilson at the strong safety spot late last season and he isn't going to unseat impressive second-year man Jairus Byrd at free safety. Still, Whitner would be high-quality depth and it's unlikely the Bills could get equal value for that in a trade....

Look like there still could be meat on the bones of a trade with the Bills for Whitner....
Anyone think hes a good option at FS?

[12thMan]

I wanted to go back to this question of whether to bring Rolle here or not. He's a good football player, but I think our current rotation of safeties and a healthy Chris Horton will be sufficient.

I think the key to our secondary is whether or not Laron Landry can successfully slide to his more natural position and play like the beast we know he can be.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

BTW out of the safeties that are available I would still prefer Ryan Clark or Darren Sharper over Rolle.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

BTW out of the safeties that are available I would still prefer Ryan Clark or Darren Sharper over Rolle.

Eh, I don't know - how many good years does Sharper really have left? The guy is what, 34 years old. Don't get me wrong, he's a beast. But I think Gregg Williams system also gave him a lot room to be a true safety, if you will. There's no guarantee that if you bring him here, Sharper still nabs nine picks.

I say we roll with what we got. I wouldn't mind seeing Ryan Clark back, but at the right price.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

BTW out of the safeties that are available I would still prefer Ryan Clark or Darren Sharper over Rolle.

I'd take Atogwe over all of them. I think we should pick him up.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wanted to go back to this question of whether to bring Rolle here or not. I he's a good football player, but I think our current rotation of safeties and a healthy Chris Horton will be good enough.

I think the key to our secondary is whether or not Laron Landry can successfully slide to his more natural position and play like the beast we know he can be.

Perhaps the question with Rolle was not whether he's a good player or not as opposed to his asking price. How much more does the team want to invest in that particular position since it's their intention to not invest too heavily in positions where there's not a dire need?

[Giantone]

[QUOTE=Pocket$ $traight;670704]Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I would be upset if we cut all those guys, talk about the status quo being over and then sign a safety for 37 million.

I would agree had there been a cap this year...

[Lotus]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

Many people, and not just people here, are assuming that the Rolle signing signals that Phillips is done.

[Pocket$ $traight]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

I don't know anything more than what the experts have published but Phillips played free safety and the Giants just paid 37 million for a free safety. Now maybe Phillips has a year or two left in him but he has arthritis in his knee and is coming off of a season ending hip injury. Either way, it doesn't seem like they felt like they could count on Phillips as a long term solution.

From the outside, I thought the G-men needed a linebacker more than a safety.

The G-men's FO is pretty good normally and for them to make an unusual move like this may be a signal.

[12thMan]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

QUOTE]

Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

What is that supposed to mean? I think the Giants are going to have some issues on the defensive side of the ball again this year. Last year they yielded nearly 30 points per game, Osi Umenyiora still isn't happy about being benched and you axed, arguably, the best play caller in football: Antonio Pierce. And they just made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in football history. (though the final point is relative nowadays). He's good, but I don't know about that one.

My point is the Giants simply don't have a scheme problem, there are personnel issues they have to address this offseason. Can Kenny Phillips rebound coming off injured reserve, there's still no clear cut successor to Antonio Pierce in the middle, and can Rolle have an immediate impact on a defense that gave up over 40 points three times last year?

[freddyg12]

Again, I see a lot of talk about the safety position. What's wrong w/what we have? It's actually one of the deepest, if not deepest, positions on the team & all of them are young. In a year when we haven't chased the big name players, we certainly weren't going to spend a lot on a safety given the roster we have.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I actually agree here. I've hated the Skins approach in the past, but this season was a year where I would have liked to have thrown some money at Rolle to have him HERE. We can do the measured approach thing when there IS a cap. I mean maybe it's more than just money, like maybe how the players feel in the locker room based on contracts, but overall I think we could have been just a little more aggressive.

I'm not ready to say there's a new approach yet.

This year's approach is really only surprising or different because the cap is different. Those vets wouldn't have all been cut if the cap were in place, and we wouldn't be talking about Snyder spending a lot if the cap were in place. Likely because he wouldn't be even if they'd cleared a lot of cap space.

Take a look back & you'll see that it wasn't EVERY year that we signed big FAs. Gibbs' big class in 04 was followed by a quiet 05 in which D. Patton & C. Rabach were signed to fairly modest deals. The distrous 06 (Arch, Loyd, etc.) was followed by a fairly quiet 07; Smoot came back, Fletcher was signed, and I can't think of anyone else significant. 2008 wasn't very big either, other than Zorn being hired I'd have to go back & look at the roster to see who was signed.

2009 of course was the big payday for AH & I think that is still in everyone's mind. Even w/that signing, agree w/them or not (I didn't like it), Danny & Vinny said they targeted the top player in FA that they thought could make a difference. i.e., they have shown restraint when they had to or when they didn't like the players available.

I think this year isn't a good gauge of how the new mgmt. spends in free agency, because I realy don't think this fa class was much. Definitely don't think we need Rolle, we have good safeties. Dansby is the only guy that was worth a lot IMO, and I can see why they didn't feel the need to bid high for him.

The real test to see if things have changed is when a trade is made. Will they value picks & will they drive a hard bargain?

[Giantone]

[quote=12thMan;670737]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What is that supposed to mean? I think the Giants are going to have some issues on the defensive side of the ball again this year. Last year they yielded nearly 30 points per game, Osi Umenyiora still isn't happy about being benched and you axed, arguably, the best play caller in football: Antonio Pierce. And they just made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in football history. (though the final point is relative nowadays). He's good, but I don't know about that one.

My point is the Giants simply don't have a scheme problem, there are personnel issues they have to address this offseason. Can Kenny Phillips rebound coming off injured reserve, there's still no clear cut successor to Antonio Pierce in the middle, and can Rolle have an immediate impact on a defense that gave up over 40 points three times last year?

Thanks, but the "issues " ...your word not mine are fixable and not a reason of panic(or hope to opponents)for the Giants.Yup they gave up 40 3 times last year lets look at the IR roster for the Giants,Goff will be fine at Mlber,just keeping our D line healthy,plus the addition of Rolle and we win half of what we lost.Please feel free to underestimate wether Rolle can help or not ,please keep telling yourself these things if it helps you sleep better at night.