Redskins pick 4th in the draft

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

You think that Brown will still be there in the 2nd? He does seem like he has the right measurables for a Shanny type lineman. Read something a few weeks ago saying he has the skills of a WCO lineman in NFL, seems like we could get a good value pick out of someone like him.

It will be tough. He's late first/early 2nd round right now in my opinion.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not quite sure who I want. I mean if we draft a QB in the first round (and I kind of feel we should) then I'm torn between Clausen and Bradford. I think each is a potential high-risk, high reward choice.

After that-not sold on Pike, think Snead could make a good pro but have concerns about his mental toughness, not sure Zac Robinson can be an everydown QB, think Dominic Randolph might not be tough enough, and have some doubts about Skelton's maturity level (from some reports I've heard).

I think the one guy I most want is Jonathan Dwyer, RB from Georgia Tech, but not in the 1st round of course.

I'd ideally like to get Bradford/Clausen in the 1st, USC OT Charles Brown in the 2nd and then hope to trade into the late 2nd/early 3rd and get Dwyer

Living in Mississippi I've seen a lot of Snead and I think he should wait a year IMHO. He just does not seem ready for prime time.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Living in Mississippi I've seen a lot of Snead and I think he should wait a year IMHO. He just does not seem ready for prime time.

He must be up and down because when I've seen him he hasn't looked that good. Maybe I haven't seen enough of him.

[rbanerjee23]

anybody got any insight into Shanahan's past record of drafting...we all know about his finding running back gems (at least for his system) but does any one know of whether or not him/Allen find gold in the later rounds?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

anybody got any insight into Shanahan's past record of drafting...we all know about his finding running back gems (at least for his system) but does any one know of whether or not him/Allen find gold in the later rounds?

He was head guy in Denver 1995-2008. You can check his draft history here:
National Football League: NFL Draft History Full Draft - by Team

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Living in Mississippi I've seen a lot of Snead and I think he should wait a year IMHO. He just does not seem ready for prime time.

agree completly, weren't they ranked in the top ten coming into the year with him as a heisman canidate?

[Rajmahal33]

This may sound crazy but hear me out first. Also this is assuming that we do get Shanahan. I think we should trade the 4th pick for a shutdown corner with NFL starting experience. Someone like a younger version of Asante Samuel.
1) Risk - We absolutely can't afford to waste this pick on a possible bust. If we get a young stud CB who has proven potential and already gone thru the NFL learning curve, we can be set at this position for a while. We reduce the risk of failure by not drafting with this pick. Something about picking in the top 5 scares me.
2) Premium for a good CB - Though OT (and QB) are more glaring needs, it seems simply impossible to ensure that we get a starter with true value at these position. I think CB is one of the positions that is the hardest to find a solid player (next to QB). Drafting a rookie to fill this role later is going to be equally tough and risky. No one knows if these guys will develop coming out of college. Let another team take the risk of developing them and we can take advantage of their labor.
3) Later picks/better scouting - With a lot more picks than we usually have and a real GM (in addition to Shanahan's staff), i feel confident that we can get a starting O-linemen in the later rounds of the draft with one of those picks. It's more likely that we can get one or two starting linemen if we throw more picks rather one high profile one at the problem.
4) From a cap standpoint this may make more sense too. The going rate for a top 5 pick (especially an O-linemen or QB) is irrationally high nowadays. If we are going to throw away those kinda dollars at a player, I want to be sure that he sees the field and performs. By getting a good CB with starting experience, we can ensure that he will see PT at a somewhat reduced cost and we'll be able to chase other pieces with that money.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

This may sound crazy but hear me out first. Also this is assuming that we do get Shanahan. I think we should trade the 4th pick for a shutdown corner with NFL starting experience. Someone like a younger version of Asante Samuel.
1) Risk - We absolutely can't afford to waste this pick on a possible bust. If we get a young stud CB who has proven potential and already gone thru the NFL learning curve, we can be set at this position for a while. We reduce the risk of failure by not drafting with this pick. Something about picking in the top 5 scares me.
2) Premium for a good CB - Though OT (and QB) are more glaring needs, it seems simply impossible to ensure that we get a starter with true value at these position. I think CB is one of the positions that is the hardest to find a solid player (next to QB). Drafting a rookie to fill this role later is going to be equally tough and risky. No one knows if these guys will develop coming out of college. Let another team take the risk of developing them and we can take advantage of their labor.
3) Later picks/better scouting - With a lot more picks than we usually have and a real GM (in addition to Shanahan's staff), i feel confident that we can get a starting O-linemen in the later rounds of the draft with one of those picks. It's more likely that we can get one or two starting linemen if we throw more picks rather one high profile one at the problem.
4) From a cap standpoint this may make more sense too. The going rate for a top 5 pick (especially an O-linemen or QB) is irrationally high nowadays. If we are going to throw away those kinda dollars at a player, I want to be sure that he sees the field and performs. By getting a good CB with starting experience, we can ensure that he will see PT at a somewhat reduced cost and we'll be able to chase other pieces with that money.

If you want a corner so badly, why not just draft Joe Haden? I'm certainly not suggesting we use our 4th pick on him, but by your rationale, that would be the best move. He came to Florida having never played corner before, and yet he started at CB from day one as a freshman and hasn't missed a game since and was 1st team all-American this year. Plus he's a local guy. He's a sick prospect.

You say trade the 4th pick for a great corner. Who? What young shutdown corner is out there that is trade bait?

[skinsfaninok]

^ that makes no sense lol!!! Who is worth the 4th pick? All the premier corners are older except revis, and the jets won't let him go. This team needs oline or qb with the 4th pick, I doubt we will trade down especially since Bradford should be there. Plus d hall is a solid corner, that we are paying alot of money to.

[LandrySlice]

I want Berry damn it!

[Big C]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not quite sure who I want. I mean if we draft a QB in the first round (and I kind of feel we should) then I'm torn between Clausen and Bradford. I think each is a potential high-risk, high reward choice.

After that-not sold on Pike, think Snead could make a good pro but have concerns about his mental toughness, not sure Zac Robinson can be an everydown QB, think Dominic Randolph might not be tough enough, and have some doubts about Skelton's maturity level (from some reports I've heard).

I think the one guy I most want is Jonathan Dwyer, RB from Georgia Tech, but not in the 1st round of course.

I'd ideally like to get Bradford/Clausen in the 1st, USC OT Charles Brown in the 2nd and then hope to trade into the late 2nd/early 3rd and get Dwyer

bradford would be especially very bad here imo without a line. if you watch bradford from his soph year, he had literally all day to throw. now he is coming off a major shoulder injury, i just dont see him being a good fit in washington. clausen would be my choice, he has had to face a lot more hardships through playing at nd during a lot of rebuilding time. and i really dont think much of pike. that being said, i hope we stick with campbell and forget about drafting a qb high. as for dwyer, he is a great back, but i seriously doubt he drops far past our 2nd round pick if he even comes out, hes a junior and i havent seen anything anywhere that says hes coming out yet, though i could have missed that.

[Rajmahal33]

I actually like Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Aqib Talib, Antonio Cromartie, and Kelvin Hayden. Those guys are all pretty young and are going to get better. Even Asante Samuels would be worth a look, though he is getting older at 28 (if we got another player or pick). We may need more compensation to get the value of that pick but I'm just saying it's the least risky and most likely reward potential.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

This may sound crazy but hear me out first. Also this is assuming that we do get Shanahan. I think we should trade the 4th pick for a shutdown corner with NFL starting experience. Someone like a younger version of Asante Samuel.
1) Risk - We absolutely can't afford to waste this pick on a possible bust. If we get a young stud CB who has proven potential and already gone thru the NFL learning curve, we can be set at this position for a while. We reduce the risk of failure by not drafting with this pick. Something about picking in the top 5 scares me.
2) Premium for a good CB - Though OT (and QB) are more glaring needs, it seems simply impossible to ensure that we get a starter with true value at these position. I think CB is one of the positions that is the hardest to find a solid player (next to QB). Drafting a rookie to fill this role later is going to be equally tough and risky. No one knows if these guys will develop coming out of college. Let another team take the risk of developing them and we can take advantage of their labor.
3) Later picks/better scouting - With a lot more picks than we usually have and a real GM (in addition to Shanahan's staff), i feel confident that we can get a starting O-linemen in the later rounds of the draft with one of those picks. It's more likely that we can get one or two starting linemen if we throw more picks rather one high profile one at the problem.
4) From a cap standpoint this may make more sense too. The going rate for a top 5 pick (especially an O-linemen or QB) is irrationally high nowadays. If we are going to throw away those kinda dollars at a player, I want to be sure that he sees the field and performs. By getting a good CB with starting experience, we can ensure that he will see PT at a somewhat reduced cost and we'll be able to chase other pieces with that money.

You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by LandrySlice

I want Berry damn it!

Is Berry going to keep our qb from getting killed every other play or open up holes in the running game? If not, then we should either draft Okung or trade for more picks. We need OL more than anything but we also need depth.

[skinsfaninok]

^ none of those guys are worth the 4th pick in any draft. Samuel is great but he's in Philly where they would never trade to a division rival... Sorry but this isn't franchise mode in madden, you can't trade a pick like that for a 29 year old corner .