Brady The Best?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Shane

He deserves a lot of credit, but its a team game. He is surrounded by a great team and organization. I'm not seeing that he is the dominant reason for the Patriots success. Maybe my eyes are failing me, I don't know.

The same can be said of Montana, he had an incredible cast around him and one of the best coaches in the history of the game in Walsh. Back then the 49ers were the model NFL franchise as well.

[Shane]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The same can be said of Montana, he had an incredible cast around him and one of the best coaches in the history of the game in Walsh. Back then the 49ers were the model NFL franchise as well.

In 1981, they had kind of makeshift team, and basically didn't even have a running back with much ability. Their later teams were stocked with talent, that is true. Jerry Rice came on board for their last two Super Bowls with Montana. You're right that the 49ers had a first rate franchise and great coach also. It's a subjective judgment that Montana to me was definitely more of a difference maker for his teams. I'm not knocking Brady, but if we are in a discussion about who is the better quarterback, its Joe Montana in my book.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Shane

In 1981, they had kind of makeshift team, and basically didn't even have a running back with much ability. Their later teams were stocked with talent, that is true. Jerry Rice came on board for their last two Super Bowls with Montana. You're right that the 49ers had a first rate franchise and great coach also. It's a subjective judgment that Montana to me was definitely more of a difference maker for his teams. I'm not knocking Brady, but if we are in a discussion about who is the better quarterback, its Joe Montana in my book.

Brady's first SB victory was with a make shift team against a team they where 15 point underdog's against, and yes Brady has won 2 super bowl's without a RB, and we have to take into account Brady took over for an apparent franchise QB in his prime in Bledsoe who was going no where with that team, the 9er's have proven time and again that their system under Walsh can produce pro bowl QB's at a record pace of which they do nothing once they leave that system, Grbac, Garcia, even Steve Young was a lowsey QB before he arrived at San Fran, and even then surrounded by great player's it took him a long time before he really became a good QB in that system, and IMO Young is maybe the most overated QB I have seen he was by far, out of all of the great QB's the biggest product of a system I can remember seeing. I was alway's a big Montana fan but I think this kid will pass him buy, if people don't want to give him that title yet I can respect that but I do think it's only a matter of time.

[sportscurmudgeon]

If Tom Brady gets run over by a bus today, he would be in the HoF five years from now on the first ballot. NO doubt in my mind!

FRPLG:

You said that Donovan McNabb was a "good QB" who could do "some great things" but you thought he was still over-rated. Question for you:

How would you compare Donovan McNabb to Patrick Ramsey?