Where Do You Place the Blame for our Personnel Woes? (Reference to Sally Jenkin's Latest)

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Sweeping the Cowboys and Eagles, beating the Giants, and beating Tampa Bay in the play-offs (AKA Pay Back). Compared to where we are at now and where we were before, I'll take it. No, it wasn't the best but it was going in the right direction. That's all I'm saying.

Amen.
We went from 5-11 under Spurrier/Snyder and Vinny in 2003 and being the laughing stock of football on the field.
One year later in 2005, Gibbs leads us to 10-6 and the playoffs. That is a short time to turnaround a franchise that was in bad shape.
Gibbs left after the 2007 season of 9-7 and another playoff season, only to one year later under Snyder/Cerratto and Zorn have us 2-4 and we are the laughing stock of the NFL again.
Gibbs made us respectable on the field again. That is all I ask.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Amen.
We went from 5-11 under Spurrier/Snyder and Vinny in 2003 and being the laughing stock of football on the field.
One year later in 2005, Gibbs leads us to 10-6 and the playoffs. That is a short time to turnaround a franchise that was in bad shape.
Gibbs left after the 2007 season of 9-7 and another playoff season, only to one year later under Snyder/Cerratto and Zorn have us 2-4 and we are the laughing stock of the NFL again.
Gibbs made us respectable on the field again. That is all I ask.

I'm sick and tired of people bitching about Gibbs II. He came in and did what he could with what he had, he inherited a mess and wanted a quick turn around (I'm sure at Danny's request) which led to some questionable moves. Redskins fans as usual "very impatient" wanted to see quick results and that's the end result. People can't deny that Gibbs II was still the most successful period of the Snyder years.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm sick and tired of people bitching about Gibbs II. He came in and did what he could with what he had, he inherited a mess and wanted a quick turn around (I'm sure at Danny's request) which led to some questionable moves. Redskins fans as usual "very impatient" wanted to see quick results and that's the end result. People can't deny that Gibbs II was still the most successful period of the Snyder years.

There's no denying that. Every coach that comes here people expect a quick turnaround, even from the one we have now, and he's never been a coach before. Check out the coach that follows Zorn.......It's going to be the exact same thing.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm sick and tired of people bitching about Gibbs II. He came in and did what he could with what he had, he inherited a mess and wanted a quick turn around (I'm sure at Danny's request) which led to some questionable moves. Redskins fans as usual "very impatient" wanted to see quick results and that's the end result. People can't deny that Gibbs II was still the most successful period of the Snyder years.

Gibbs 2.0 was out of his element as a coach. Yes we love him, and yes he was better than anything we've seen in a long time, but he wasn't ready to handle the modern NFL. To say otherwise seems to be out of touch. We all revere Joe, but 2.0 was not a stunning success.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Amen.
We went from 5-11 under Spurrier/Snyder and Vinny in 2003 and being the laughing stock of football on the field.
One year later in 2005, Gibbs leads us to 10-6 and the playoffs. That is a short time to turnaround a franchise that was in bad shape.
Gibbs left after the 2007 season of 9-7 and another playoff season, only to one year later under Snyder/Cerratto and Zorn have us 2-4 and we are the laughing stock of the NFL again.
Gibbs made us respectable on the field again. That is all I ask.

I notice you put Snyder besides all the bad things but only Gibbs name by the success and you also left off the two bad Gibbs/Snyder years.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I notice you put Snyder besides all the bad things but only Gibbs name by the success and you also left off the two bad Gibbs/Snyder years.

Yes there were two bad years, but he inherited a 5-11 team.
What is your point? That Gibbs is the main person to blame for the current issues on current Redskins team? I did say he was partly to blame.
My point was Gibbs2 brought winning and respectability back to the Redskins. That is all.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Yes there were two bad years, but he inherited a 5-11 team.
What is your point? That Gibbs is the main person to blame for the current issues on current Redskins team? I did say he was partly to blame.
My point was Gibbs2 brought winning and respectability back to the Redskins. That is all.

I should not have made that post because I'm over discussing whats wrong and who is to blame. The only thing we can hope for at this point is that with things hitting rock bottom DS can see whats wrong and start to fix them at the end of the season. Heck, he could show Vinny the door now for what thats worth.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I should not have made that post because I'm over discussing whats wrong and who is to blame. The only thing we can hope for at this point is that with things hitting rock bottom DS can see whats wrong and start to fix them at the end of the season. Heck, he could show Vinny the door now for what thats worth.

If he brings in a good GM now the rest of the season can be used to cut the fat.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I should not have made that post because I'm over discussing whats wrong and who is to blame. The only thing we can hope for at this point is that with things hitting rock bottom DS can see whats wrong and start to fix them at the end of the season. Heck, he could show Vinny the door now for what thats worth.

You are right, showing Vinny the door now as opposed to the end of the season will not make the team get any worse.
What it might be worth is showing the loyal Redskins fans that Snyder is changing his stubborn ways. To some that is a lot. It might actually help with 2010 season ticket renewals and getting people from chanting sell the team.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Amen.
We went from 5-11 under Spurrier/Snyder and Vinny in 2003 and being the laughing stock of football on the field.
One year later in 2005, Gibbs leads us to 10-6 and the playoffs. That is a short time to turnaround a franchise that was in bad shape.
Gibbs left after the 2007 season of 9-7 and another playoff season, only to one year later under Snyder/Cerratto and Zorn have us 2-4 and we are the laughing stock of the NFL again.
Gibbs made us respectable on the field again. That is all I ask.

Don't let Gibbs completely off the hook. He traded a 3 and a 4 for B. Lloyd, and another 3 and a 4 for Duckett. That is essentially 4 wasted draft picks that could have been used for O-line depth. Also recall that Archuletta was signed under Gibbs' watch - perhaps THE WORST FA signing in the history of the franchise.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Don't let Gibbs completely off the hook. He traded a 3 and a 4 for B. Lloyd, and another 3 and a 4 for Duckett. That is essentially 4 wasted draft picks that could have been used for O-line depth. Also recall that Archuletta was signed under Gibbs' watch - perhaps THE WORST FA signing in the history of the franchise.

Who brought in Kendall and Raback?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Who brought in Kendall and Raback?

I can understand your argument for Rabach contributing to longer term depth on the OL, but Kendall? The guy was mid 30's when we acquired him.