Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change

skinsguy · 10-06-2009, 04:42 PM

He had a terrible game, but I think there was something physically wrong. Either he had hurt is hand or hiding some other type of injury, because his passes seemed quite off in the first half. However, how many QBs can turn the ball over four times (three INTs one fumble) and still bring his team back for a win? Not too many! Usually when you turn the ball over more than three times, you lose the game.

Campbell hung in there, played better in the second half, and brought his team back from behind to win. I definitely believe Campbell is the clear best option for our team. However, I'm wondering what is going to happen to him after the season? Yes I know, let's worry about that after the season. But you can't help to have that in the back of your mind.

CancunCantinaBartender · 10-06-2009, 04:59 PM

Overall his numbers are solid.

Watching the MNF game last night, I was amazed at the time the Minnesota line gave Favre. Campbell has no option but to either throw it quick or scramble. I remember the days of the Hogs... do you think it was the QBs (3 different SB QBs) or the the work of the line?? Give him a line and time and we excell.

Watching the game in person on Sunday was rough during the first half and fantastic during the second half (especially the 3rd quarter). If you look at the QB rating alone 1st half vs. 2nd half, that really tells the story. Watching it again on tape that night really shows the overall play of the QB. I will admit he was nowhere near accurate in the 1st half, but look at the pressure TB put on him.

Four turnovers is unheard of from JC. I was amazed to read that 3 INTs was the most he had ever thrown since starting to play football. And keep in mind that one of those INTs was a deflection after nailing the referee!!

And I am in complete agreement that he is the best QB on the roster. I hope he begins to shine, because I do not like the looks of Tebo or McCoy as top prospect NFL QBs. I can see Dannyboy overspending and wasting draft picks to go after the next "big name" rookie QB.

Chevy13 · 10-06-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CancunCantinaBartender

Overall his numbers are solid.

Watching the MNF game last night, I was amazed at the time the Minnesota line gave Favre. Campbell has no option but to either throw it quick or scramble. I remember the days of the Hogs... do you think it was the QBs (3 different SB QBs) or the the work of the line?? Give him a line and time and we excell.

Watching the game in person on Sunday was rough during the first half and fantastic during the second half (especially the 3rd quarter). If you look at the QB rating alone 1st half vs. 2nd half, that really tells the story. Watching it again on tape that night really shows the overall play of the QB. I will admit he was nowhere near accurate in the 1st half, but look at the pressure TB put on him.

Four turnovers is unheard of from JC. I was amazed to read that 3 INTs was the most he had ever thrown since starting to play football. And keep in mind that one of those INTs was a deflection after nailing the referee!!

And I am in complete agreement that he is the best QB on the roster. I hope he begins to shine, because I do not like the looks of Tebo or McCoy as top prospect NFL QBs. I can see Dannyboy overspending and wasting draft picks to go after the next "big name" rookie QB.

Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)

Trample the Elderly · 10-06-2009, 05:47 PM

I hope Tod Collins doesn't start playing until the weekend after next.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-06-2009, 08:19 PM

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Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)

I guess the difference is JC played bad and still won. Eventhough that doesn't matter much around here. I am sure things will be brought to the light with Sherm Lewis.

Rodgers came out the same year as Campbell. If Campbell learned from Favre I am sure he wold be a much better QB also. People dont understand how much you learn holding a clip board and watching the nuances of a Hall of Famer. Or just being able to sit back and learn a system for a few years until you are comfortable in a offense.

skins89moss · 10-06-2009, 11:23 PM

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Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)

Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-06-2009, 11:31 PM

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Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

Dirtbag59 · 10-07-2009, 01:39 AM

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..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

Farve and Rodgers is a poor mans Montana and Young. Ironically those two also seemed to have a limited relationship to this day.

DBUCHANON101 · 10-07-2009, 12:30 AM

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Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-07-2009, 01:42 AM

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Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

If I am not mistaken. Orton had been in one system. As well as Orton. Our WRs are better than Marshall (Do you know who he is?) Royal & Stokley. Are you really serious? Both of these players have been in the same system for a while until this year. He isn't getting killed but he is not getting the best protection either. The line is at best so-so. How is our running game doing? Guess the line is doing good run blocking also. Oh I forgot CP is so old he can't play anymore. Then you say Zorn is the problem. But that doesn't affect QB play. Wasn't he brought in to help JC. How many offenses has JC been in? Please tell me. This is only his second year in Zorns offense. Were we running WCO before? Please come again. Have you been drinking tonight?

DBUCHANON101 · 10-07-2009, 01:48 AM

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If I am not mistaken. Orton had been in one system. As well as Orton. Our WRs are better than Marshall (Do you know who he is?) Royal & Stokley. Are you really serious? Both of these players have been in the same system for a while until this year. He isn't getting killed but he is not getting the best protection either. The line is at best so-so. How is our running game doing? Guess the line is doing good run blocking also. Oh I forgot CP is so old he can't play anymore. Then you say Zorn is the problem. But that doesn't affect QB play. Wasn't he brought in to help JC. How many offenses has JC been in? Please tell me. This is only his second year in Zorns defense. Were we running WCO before? Please come again. Have you been drinking tonight?

Didnt know Zorn had a DEFENSE... please put down the bottle.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-07-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion.

DBUCHANON101 · 10-07-2009, 02:16 AM

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Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion.

NO i said QB's like those 2 have changed teams and offenses, THEN which means different scenerio i said teams with wrs worse than ours are scoring more. So dont try to backpedal now that you misread and put your foot in your mouth.

Chevy13 · 10-07-2009, 02:28 AM

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Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion.

You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...

Chevy13 · 10-07-2009, 12:39 AM

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Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

I'm sorry I don't buy that him learning different offenses affects him as much as most people here do. I'm not saying it won't make it hard for him because it's obviosly not the situation you want a young QB to be in but just making a pass sometimes is just that throwing the ball and I just don't see that unique spark you see from QB's like Brady or Favre. I understand that many of you see it but I just don't, I'm not saying your wrong It's just my opinion that he could still be a successful QB I don't want to keep giving excuses for why hasn't been even close to reaching his potential. I'm not willing to make that same excuse for the next 4 years...

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..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

Yeah it would be neat to see JC throw off his back foot and off balance or throwing into triple coverage

... No but it's a good point but I'm sorry I just don't see him becoming one of those elite QB's and I do agree that not having the weapons doesn't help

10-06-2009, 04:42 PM	#1
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change He had a terrible game, but I think there was something physically wrong. Either he had hurt is hand or hiding some other type of injury, because his passes seemed quite off in the first half. However, how many QBs can turn the ball over four times (three INTs one fumble) and still bring his team back for a win? Not too many! Usually when you turn the ball over more than three times, you lose the game. Campbell hung in there, played better in the second half, and brought his team back from behind to win. I definitely believe Campbell is the clear best option for our team. However, I'm wondering what is going to happen to him after the season? Yes I know, let's worry about that after the season. But you can't help to have that in the back of your mind. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-06-2009, 04:59 PM	#2
CancunCantinaBartender Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arnold, MD Posts: 39	Re: Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change Overall his numbers are solid. Watching the MNF game last night, I was amazed at the time the Minnesota line gave Favre. Campbell has no option but to either throw it quick or scramble. I remember the days of the Hogs... do you think it was the QBs (3 different SB QBs) or the the work of the line?? Give him a line and time and we excell. Watching the game in person on Sunday was rough during the first half and fantastic during the second half (especially the 3rd quarter). If you look at the QB rating alone 1st half vs. 2nd half, that really tells the story. Watching it again on tape that night really shows the overall play of the QB. I will admit he was nowhere near accurate in the 1st half, but look at the pressure TB put on him. Four turnovers is unheard of from JC. I was amazed to read that 3 INTs was the most he had ever thrown since starting to play football. And keep in mind that one of those INTs was a deflection after nailing the referee!! And I am in complete agreement that he is the best QB on the roster. I hope he begins to shine, because I do not like the looks of Tebo or McCoy as top prospect NFL QBs. I can see Dannyboy overspending and wasting draft picks to go after the next "big name" rookie QB.

10-06-2009, 05:47 PM	#4
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change I hope Tod Collins doesn't start playing until the weekend after next. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

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