Lighten Up On Snyder

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said [quote] "The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels" [unquote]. Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said "The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels". Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.

Another interesting thing about that quote is, isn't that something your coach should be responsible for? Isn't that why head coaches are in the position they are because they improve facets of the team like morale?

And being that he was in charge of the Zorn hiring he's basically saying "The coach I brought in isn't good enough to inspire confidence in the depleted team I left him"


There are so many points of failure just in that one statement alone...good point out LongTimeFan.

[Paintrain]

I'm not defending Snyder by any means for some of his choices and decisions. I feel like he wants to win, above all things. He is a good/great businessman but seems to lack a lot of common decency and respect for the everyman.

I took a look from a football standpoint as his record in comparison to those I consider his peers, owners who took control of their teams between 1995-2002. You may be surprised how he stacks up in winning percentage and head coaches (not including interim coaches).

Robert Kraft (1994) 152-82, 65.8% winning percentage (3 Super Bowl wins, 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 head coaches)
Jeff Lurie (1994) 137-103-1, 57.3% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl appearance, 3 head coaches)
Malcolm Glazer (1995) 113-111-1, 50.6% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl win, 1 Super Bowl appearance, 4 head coaches)
Paul Allen (1997) 101-101, 50% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl appearance, 3 head coaches)
Dan Snyder (1999) 76-84, 47.5% winning percentage (5 head coaches)
John York (2000) 60-84, 41.6% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Woody Johnson (2000) 71-73, 49.3% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Arthur Blank (2002) 55-73, 42.9% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Al Lerner (2002) 42-86, 32.8% winning percentage (4 head coaches)

Snyder doesn't have us where we should be or want us to be, but one of the things that it seems is that he's not as bad as portrayed nationally or locally. It's ironic that we never hear about a quick trigger for York, Johnson, Blank or Lerner but they've changed coaches at a similar or higher rate than Snyder.

Hopefully the next move he makes will be to bring in a President of Football Operations to evaluate and determine the course for our franchises future.

[SFREDSKIN]

I'm all for bringing back Casserly or giving Morocco Brown a chance even though he's unproven but has been identified as a smart talent evaluator. Maybe Brown could turn out to be like Jerry Reese, who I think is currently the best young GM in the business.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

But if you have a competitive rivalry there's just some things that you don't do with your rival.

Vacationing with them should be one of them. What other thing can you do with someone that is more initimate than vacationing with them???...Driving someone to the airport pales in the comparasion to that.

If are constantly getting worked by your competitive rival and still so happy to see them something is wrong. In that same position I would not be all smiles with my competitive arch rival.

...If I was Jerry Jones I would because he has nothing to uneasy about...I can at least see why he doesn't care that they are such good friends.

...like Jerry Jones says in the article..."The numbers are there"

The rivalry is pretty much gone dude. It is pretty hard to maintain rivalry status when it has been one sided for such a long time, plus it hasn't meant that much like when Gibbs and Landry were going at it. You have to remember, it is pretty much a business anymore, and that in itself has hurt both the college and pro game. If the game isn't being played you are subjected to constant commercialism, etc. Once you keep that in mind then the Jones/Snyder thing isn't so hard to fathom. To them money is the bottom line. They rely on you to care about things like the rivalry, etc, to keep the money flowing.

[MTK]

The rivalry will never die. We've split with them the past few years including a sweep in 2005.

That means it's Skins 5-3 since 2005.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Your last sentence sounds erily simular to what Tony Dungy said on NBC Sunday night. I agree it is a culture thing.

No! That means that Dungy likely won't come here.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Snyder has been receiving a lot of negative backlash after this loss to the Lions. Everyone should lighten up because Snyder isn't such a bad guy. Though it's hard to find some things that ingratiate him right now check out this article from last year.

The cellphone trick he pulls is just hiliarious!...too funny...Snyder's not so bad.

It's a rich rivalry for Dallas Cowboys, Redskins owners: Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are friendly rivals

I will lighten up the minute he fires Vinny.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No! That means that Dungy likely won't come here.

Dungy wasn't coming here anyways. He's done with day to day football.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

The rivalry is pretty much gone dude. It is pretty hard to maintain rivalry status when it has been one sided for such a long time, plus it hasn't meant that much like when Gibbs and Landry were going at it. You have to remember, it is pretty much a business anymore, and that in itself has hurt both the college and pro game. If the game isn't being played you are subjected to constant commercialism, etc. Once you keep that in mind then the Jones/Snyder thing isn't so hard to fathom. To them money is the bottom line. They rely on you to care about things like the rivalry, etc, to keep the money flowing.

You said it, not me.

If it is about the money than would you say that it's not about winning?

If it is about money than what does winning have to do with anything? If it's about money than what does a competitive rivalry have to do wiith anything?

Unfortunately I believe that you're right when you say the rivalry is nothing to them because it's about their bottom line.

...It's not out of the question though to say that you can put the rivalry and winning in the same category and THAT is why I'm really disgruntled with the fact that Snyder and Jones are best pals.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Really?...Your uncle is a scout for the Skins?...Or am I being gulliable?

Jackson and Royal are just the receivers I can think of from the top of my head that are out performing our 2 WR's drafted before them. I'm sure there is more. Just the fact with our roster and percieved Super Bowl push with Gibbs leftover roster, we needed to hit on either of those the year they were drafted. Jackson and Royal hit but we didn't hit with either and had even had to deal with predisposed injury with Kelly.

Cerrato traded 2nd rounder for Taylor...given...We didn't have a 4th this year...I guess I'm basing it off of the fact that we haven't had our full line of draft picks every year.

You're gullible

I think for every time we bring up DeSean Jackson we should also bring up James Hardy

[SmootSmack]

[quote=Longtimefan;599637]This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said

"The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels" [unquote]. Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.

Strong points. Taylor was ultimately a mistake because he's a pass rusher and Daniels is a run stopping DE. However, he is very influential in the locker room. Teammates look up to him. And the notion that the responsibility to motivate should fall entirely on the coach is highly inaccurate. Ask the Ravens how the locker room would feel if Ray Lewis is gone for the year or how the Bears felt when Brian Urlacher was injured and lost for the year

[SmootSmack]

Being upset that Snyder and Jerry Jones are friends is one of the more ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. That's just desperation to find any reason to hate Snyder. This isn't kindergarten.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Being upset that Snyder and Jerry Jones are friends is one of the more ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. That's just desperation to find any reason to hate Snyder. This isn't kindergarten.

I give up.

Seriously.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Being upset that Snyder and Jerry Jones are friends is one of the more ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. That's just desperation to find any reason to hate Snyder. This isn't kindergarten.

Oh boy...I got the Snyder & Jones hate running all through me...and if that is childish then so be it.

It's also childish to wear my favorite team's football jersey and to loudly cheer them on Sundays but I find time to do that.

The simple point is Snyder could care less about a rivalry or remaining competitive against NFL teams...it all seems to come back to the money...it's hard to agrue that as childish.