Lighten Up On Snyder

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Snyder isn't a bad owner, but he is too much like Jones. Thing is Jones owns "America's team" so he doesn't get as much heat as Snyder. Those 3 Lombardis don't hurt either!!! Snyder needs to find a young guy like Shwartz. An accomplished assistant with a plan, a system, along with letting him and his scouts acquire the talent to fit the system. Our roster is filled with accomplished skilled players that were drafted for Gibbs 2.0. Zorn probably will never see the day when his roster has guys compatible with the WCO!!

Snyder could have just hired Schwartz. Reportedly, he was going to, then delayed, and then Schwartz pulled his name.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?

Anything that has to do with decisions that Cerrato and Snyder have previously made to our on field playing personnel and ancillary staff...out the door.

Fantastic wish I know but would at least prove to me that maybe postive change was coming as opposed to same old regime tactics.


Also interested in why you like the scouting staff this much? I'm not clubbing them by any means but in the vein that they've done nothing wrong, they really haven't gotten too much right...Horton was a good find.

TJ Duckett and Lloyd aside, our O-line goes belly up at the end of last year (after our 6-2 start) and we prove we have no O-Line depth. They don't shore it up with players and then we experience R. Thomas going down for the year in Week 2. Not the prepardness I would expect from a crack scouting staff.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think both Casserly and Bruce Allen will always serve as consultants/advisors, whatever you want to call it to Snyder. But I'd be surprised to see either employed by him.

You're probably right, but Cassrely is out there and I just mentioned him because he is. It could be a number of qualified people.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Anything that has to do with decisions that Cerrato and Snyder have previously made to our on field playing personnel and ancillary staff...out the door.

Fantastic wish I know but would at least prove to me that maybe postive change was coming as opposed to same old regime tactics.


Also interested in why you like the scouting staff this much? I'm not clubbing them by any means but in the vein that they've done nothing wrong, they really haven't gotten too much right...Horton was a good find.

TJ Duckett and Lloyd aside, our O-line goes belly up at the end of last year (after our 6-2 start) and we prove we have no O-Line depth. They don't shore it up with players and then we experience R. Thomas going down for the year in Week 2. Not the prepardness I would expect from a crack scouting staff.

It's up to Cerrato and the coaches to decide who we select. It's up to the scouts, Scott Campbell, and Mo Brown to find players for them to choose from.

http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html

The decision to go after or not go after offensive linemen is not the responsibility of anyone but Cerrato, Zorn, Snyder and in this particular example Bugel (with possibly Eric Schaffer tossed in due to his role in the salary cap)

The scouts under Scott Campbell are the ones who find a Marko Mitchell in the 7th round. They don't decide if he's drafted. The scouts under Morocco Brown are the ones who find a Dominique Dorsey (for lack of a better example) right now. They don't decide if we sign him.

I think you just want change for the sake of change, meaning anything even remotely associated with Cerrato you want gone. But realistically I don't see that being of much benefit to us to just completely tear the entire organization down. Make changes at the top, sure. But we have several good scouts (which I don't believe we did when Gibbs joined) that we are better off holding on to, in my opinion.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's up to Cerrato and the coaches to decide who we select. It's up to the scouts, Scott Campbell, and Mo Brown to find players for them to choose from.

http://www.thewarpath.net/523135-post23.html

The decision to go after or not go after offensive linemen is not the responsibility of anyone but Cerrato, Zorn, Snyder and in this particular example Bugel (with possibly Eric Schaffer tossed in due to his role in the salary cap)

The scouts under Scott Campbell are the ones who find a Marko Mitchell in the 7th round. They don't decide if he's drafted. The scouts under Morocco Brown are the ones who find a Dominique Dorsey (for lack of a better example) right now. They don't decide if we sign him.

I think you just want change for the sake of change, meaning anything even remotely associated with Cerrato you want gone. But realistically I don't see that being of much benefit to us to just completely tear the entire organization down. Make changes at the top, sure. But we have several good scouts (which I don't believe we did when Gibbs joined) that we are better off holding on to, in my opinion.

It's funny...in a lot of your posts I hear you propagate the scouts. I'm starting to think you have a vested interest in the scouting department. Are you on the staff? : )

I'm aware of the whole scouting to GM aspect but even players like Reinhart in the 3rd Round turned out shaky and you could possibly cite our WR group from 08 who have been getting shown up by people drafted after them like D. Jackson and E. Royal...(just citing performance and not physical stature reason as to why we didn't select them.)

I really couldn't tell you how the individual scouting of our current staff affects our on field performance but, to me by perception, it seems like if they had any Cerrato ties then it wouldn't be that big of a big loss...especially when even Cerrato wouldn't even give them a chance to show their worth due to trading away high draft picks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It's funny...in a lot of your posts I hear you propagate the scouts. I'm starting to think you have a vested interest in the scouting department. Are you on the staff? : )

Yeah that's it. My uncle is a scout for the Redskins...

Yeah, I'm aware of the whole scouting to GM aspect but even players like Reinhart in the 3rd Round turned out shaky and you could possibly cite our WR group from 08 who have been getting shown up by people drafted after them like D. Jackson and E. Royal...(just citing performance and not physical stature reason as to why we didn't select them.)

Still too early to write off the receivers or Rinehart. Though I know we all desperately want to because of Jackson and Royal. I didn't realize Jackson and Royal were the only players drafted that year outside of the Redskins' picks.

I really couldn't tell you how the individual scouting of our current staff affects our on field performance but, to me by perception, it seems like if they had any Cerrato ties then it wouldn't be that big of a big loss...especially when even Cerrato wouldn't even give them a chance to show their worth due to trading away high draft picks.

How many high draft picks has Cerrato really traded?

[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

Beathard baby, BEATHARD!!!!!!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Beathard baby, BEATHARD!!!!!!

For real, I know I can't be the only one who thinks the point at which the team really fell apart was when Bobby left, not when Joe did.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Debbie Downers? Good one. I thought you said Snyder was the problem this morning. I guess this afternoon, that changed?

That was a different thread. This one started off more as a joke and quickly turned into your typical Snyder hating 101.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah that's it. My uncle is a scout for the Redskins...

Still too early to write off the receivers or Rinehart. Though I know we all desperately want to because of Jackson and Royal. I didn't realize Jackson and Royal were the only players drafted that year outside of the Redskins' picks.

How many high draft picks has Cerrato really traded?

Really?...Your uncle is a scout for the Skins?...Or am I being gulliable?

Jackson and Royal are just the receivers I can think of from the top of my head that are out performing our 2 WR's drafted before them. I'm sure there is more. Just the fact with our roster and percieved Super Bowl push with Gibbs leftover roster, we needed to hit on either of those the year they were drafted. Jackson and Royal hit but we didn't hit with either and had even had to deal with predisposed injury with Kelly.

Cerrato traded 2nd rounder for Taylor...given...We didn't have a 4th this year...I guess I'm basing it off of the fact that we haven't had our full line of draft picks every year.

[tryfuhl]

a cell phone trick can make you like a guy, but that's not running a football team

same with zorn's swiss ball drills vs coaching a team

[itvnetop]

SS, one of the points you've brought up before is the expectations of the fanbase... which in turn may affect organizational direction. As Redskin fans, are we able to support a rebuilding effort that includes a youth movement everywhere and a sacrifice of two or three really awful years (results-wise, not necessarily growth-wise)?

The team seems to have this teetering balance b/t drafting where we still have picks and supplementing a few holes with big FAs every offseason. Silly contracts are handed out to new guys, but productive mainstays (like Sellars) have to fight for a decent extension. The up-and-coming guys I would have loved to see as head coaches here go elsewhere (Payton, Spags, etc). It's one thing when former players trash talk the organization when they leave (Pierce, LA)... it's another when one of the "core" guys like Jansen leave with bad feelings (although it definitely made business sense to let him go, I get the notion his dismissal wasn't as classy as his Redskins career was).

While DS has done everything he's believed he could to help the team win, a culture has been created to where some coordinators aren't as quick to jump at an opportunity to head coach here, some current players don't feel rewarded for their efforts and some just leave with bad tastes in their mouths. Going back to the fanbase thing, I'm not so sure Snyder is willing to sacrifice profits for a few seasons getting this thing sorted out. I hope it's not too late.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That was a different thread. This one started off more as a joke and quickly turned into your typical Snyder hating 101.

First it was just kind of pointing out the close relationship that he has with Jerry Jones and that fact that they go on vacations with each other and share vacation homes between the families. Snyder also makes a point to sit next to Jerry Jones during the owners meetings too.

It's great that cowboys and redskins can get along but really...I possess some MAJOR distaste for Jerry Jones and the whole cowboys organization. Hearing that it's just a business that they're pals just kind of rubs salt in the wound that the cowboys are more competitive than we are.

I thought others would be disgusted by the fact that Snyder pretty much loves him some cowboys...the rivalry doesn't mean much to him at the top.

From the bottom I don't take solace in finding that out.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

First it was just kind of pointing out the close relationship that he has with Jerry Jones and that fact that they go on vacations with each other and share vacation homes between the families. Snyder also makes a point to sit next to Jerry Jones during the owners meetings too.

It's great that cowboys and redskins can get along but really...I possess some MAJOR distaste for Jerry Jones and the whole cowboys organization. Hearing that it's just a business that they're pals just kind of rubs salt in the wound that the cowboys are more competitive than we are.

I thought others would be disgusted by the fact that Snyder pretty much loves him some cowboys...the rivalry doesn't mean much to him at the top.

From the bottom I don't take solace in finding that out.

Meh, you can be friends with someone but also be respectful rivals.

The league ownership circle is pretty tight, there's only 32 of them in the world. They have to work together on a lot of issues and naturally there's going to be some relationships there even between rivals. That's not to say Danny doesn't want to own them on gamedays.

It's fun to hate on people you don't know, but for all we know Jerry could be a decent guy. Just saying. And why are the Cowboys more competitive than we are if Snyder and Jones are pals??

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Meh, you can be friends with someone but also be respectful rivals.

The league ownership circle is pretty tight, there's only 32 of them in the world. They have to work together on a lot of issues and naturally there's going to be some relationships there even between rivals. That's not to say Danny doesn't want to own them on gamedays.

But if you have a competitive rivalry there's just some things that you don't do with your rival.

Vacationing with them should be one of them. What other thing can you do with someone that is more initimate than vacationing with them???...Driving someone to the airport pales in the comparasion to that.

If are constantly getting worked by your competitive rival and still so happy to see them something is wrong. In that same position I would not be all smiles with my competitive arch rival.

...If I was Jerry Jones I would because he has nothing to uneasy about...I can at least see why he doesn't care that they are such good friends.

...like Jerry Jones says in the article..."The numbers are there"